Immigration and Security

The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, December 24, 2003

[presidio9]

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge recently committed the political sin of telling the truth. His helpful candor has reopened a much-needed debate over immigration and exposed some of the specious arguments used by those who want to close U.S. borders.

[presidio9]

Wrong. Greedy employers that bribed our politicians to allow massive, uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration, so that they might hire 2 immigrants in the place of one American worker with the U.S. Taxpayers picking up the tab for healthcare and benefits, are what led to our present crisis.

You guys are like a broken record. Get rid of the "healthcare and benefits." We as Americans are not "entitled" to them.

[presidio9]

Artificial to you because you dont believe in the US Constitution or the rule of law. You are a loony anarchist wackjob. The disregard for the rights of american citizens is a socialist redistribution of wealth.

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here, but allow me to remind you that it is the "Anit-Globalization" crowd who are the anarchists, the constitution does not deal with Immigration, and capitalist free trade is about as far from socialism as a philosophical concept can get. In short, if I understood you correctly, everything you said in the first paragraph was incorrect.

And just how damn stupid do you have to be to blantantly ignore the aid illegal immigration and our open borders has given to terrorists? Just how stupid do you have to be to ignore the rising levels of crime?

As I pointed out earlier, the immigration we are talking about here has nothing to do with national security. Terrorists fly into this country. Cleaning ladies come on rafts.

[presidio9]

The AFLCIO crowd will be here any moment...

Oh, they're out in force, believe me!

[AbsoluteJustice]

"You guys are like a broken record. Get rid of the "healthcare and benefits." We as Americans are not "entitled" to them."

Noone said we are entitled to then BUT the primary reason MY healthcare costs are so expensive here in Arizona is because this State MUST take ANY Illegal immigrant off the streets for care. Guess who pays for this? You guessed it me Mr. John Doe taxpayer. This stuff doesn't come for free!

Here is my idea. ALL Hospitals keep a running tab of those illegals that seak helthcare in America's emergency rooms then take away those monies we send in aid to those nation's of said illegals. I bet these countries quickly take care of their issues at home that foster natives leaving. SEND THEM THE DAMN BILL NOT ON MY DIME!! Ever been to an emergency room in Arizona? It took my wife and I behind god knows how many illegals 4 hours to be seen you figure this one out!

[Poohbah]

You guys are like a broken record. Get rid of the "healthcare and benefits." We as Americans are not "entitled" to them.

Funny that they complain not about the societal largesse, but merely gripe about some of the recipients.

[AbsoluteJustice]

Read my posts I believe I have just about covered your point.

[presidio9]

Funny that they complain not about the societal largesse, but merely gripe about some of the recipients.

That's what socialists and their lackeys do:

They treat the symptoms rather than the disease.

[presidio9]

I lived in Tucson for two years. I am aware of the problem. Short of putting armed forces on the border, as long as we have handouts we will have immigration. The solution: Stop the handouts.

[Missouri]

The AFLCIO crowd will be here any moment...

Oh, they're out in force, believe me!

That's funny, I seen the head of the AFL-CIO, a Mr. Sweeney on Lou Dobbs last week and he's all for granting amnesty to illegals. I wonder why?

[presidio9]

That's funny, I seen the head of the AFL-CIO, a Mr. Sweeney on Lou Dobbs last week and he's all for granting amnesty to illegals. I wonder why?

Because he wants to add their votes to the welfare economy. I would abolish it.

[txdoda]

Terrorists fly into this country. >>>>>>>>


Gee, have you called Ridge with *this* info.

'Cause he's wasting lots of tax-dollars securing, borders, ports, bridges, etc. etc.

Good thing they stopped the 'millennium' bomber at the ROAD-BLOCK as he was *flying* into the USA.

[presidio9]

Since you do not understand generaliztions, let me be a little more basic: The closed border policy has nothing to do with national security. It is directed at Mexico, not Canada, and its main targets are hispanic, not arabic.

[AbsoluteJustice]

On that comment I agree with you 110%

[AbsoluteJustice]

"The closed border policy has nothing to do with national security. It is directed at Mexico, not Canada, and its main targets are hispanic, not arabic"

GOOD and I hope this eventually works because whatever the maske dintentions are I am tired of my tax dollars going to handouts. GRRRRRRR this topic makes me quite angry.

[Pa' fuera]

...they violated the law to get here," said Mr. Ridge. "You don't reward that type of conduct by turning over a citizen certificate. You determine how you can legalize their presence."

Hey, Mr. Ridge, you don't reward that type of conduct, period!!! Not with citizenship, nor a library card, nor a drivers license.

What Ridge is doing is setting the stage to carry out amnesty by phases. First, the illegals will get their work permits. Once that has become palatable to us, once we have become de-sensitized, then they will grant full citizenship and voting rights. I, for one, am never going to be on board for creeping or outright amnesty, so these idiots can stop floating their test balloons and trying to convince me. The answer is NO, and the answer will always be NO.

[presidio9]

Military force costs money. Effectively sealing off the border with Mexico would also be a huge drain on our economy. And for what purpose? Do they threaten us militarily?

[PuNcH]

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say here,the constitution does not deal with Immigration,

So you are actually arguing that a disregard for the law by our govt has no effect on the constitutional rights of the citizens? Where does the constitution deal with murder? If the govt stopped enforcing laws on murder how would our society look then? Do you think your freedoms might get infringed upon a little?

You are in fact an anarchist wackjob.

As I pointed out earlier, the immigration we are talking about here has nothing to do with national security. Terrorists fly into this country. Cleaning ladies come on rafts.

And once again you ignore the crimes that are being committed by those crossing the borders. You clearly cannot deal with reality.

[Vigilanteman]

Meanwhile, the U.S. demand for low-skilled workers continues apace as Americans are unwilling to fill certain jobs in manufacturing, hotels, health care, restaurants, construction and other key economic sectors that would screech to a halt if illegal aliens were suddenly to disappear.

Tell that to a young carpenter-cabinet maker I know who has to spend three-fifths of his time hustling work from individual homeowners because the construction companies who do the cookie-cutter jobs would rather pay some illegal less under the table.

[presidio9]

So you are actually arguing that a disregard for the law by our govt has no effect on the constitutional rights of the citizens? Where does the constitution deal with murder? If the govt stopped enforcing laws on murder how would our society look then? Do you think your freedoms might get infringed upon a little?

You are in fact an anarchist wackjob.

Oh, I get it. In your world, illegal employment is the same as murder, hence people who do not fear immigration are anarchists.

Let me ask you a question: Have you ever driven a car in excess of the speed limit? If so, did you report yourself to the police?

You clearly cannot deal with reality.

Your version of reality? Surely not. Maybe if you give me some of those meds you've been taking.