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A New Holiday Hit In Muslim Turkey: Here Comes Santa
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | Wednesday, December 24, 2003 | HUGH POPE

Posted on 12/24/2003 7:10:01 AM PST by presidio9

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:50:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ISTANBUL, Turkey -- Santa Claus is coming to town -- in an unlikely country.

Many cities across Turkey, home to 70 million Muslims, are erecting sparkling displays of lights on their main boulevards. Decorated trees glitter everywhere. Statues of the jolly old man grace the entrances of major stores. Most know Santa by the local moniker, Noel Baba, or literally, Father Christmas.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: europeanislam; noelbaba; santaclaus; stnicholas; turkey
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1 posted on 12/24/2003 7:10:02 AM PST by presidio9
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Living in a Muslim country must be like moving in with your aunt and finding out she is the Church Lady.
2 posted on 12/24/2003 7:16:33 AM PST by Lawgvr1955 (Sic Semper Tyrannus)
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To: presidio9
Sounds good to me.
3 posted on 12/24/2003 7:16:39 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: presidio9
One small step. Next, the Easter Bunny.
4 posted on 12/24/2003 7:20:01 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: presidio9
AHHHHHHHHHHH, the wisdom of God at work! One soul at a time!!
5 posted on 12/24/2003 7:26:01 AM PST by RoseofTexas (r)
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To: presidio9
Perhaps our friend a_turk can swing by and give us a heads-up on this. But I did notice whilst in Turkey that the average Turkish citizen knows a great deal more about Christianity than the average Christian knows about Islam. Many Muslims have also read The Bible cover to cover, and can quote passages and events from it. Plus, there actually IS a tiny (2%) Christian minority living in Turkey. Just as there are some Palestinian Christians in Israel.

One of our tour guides, himself a Muslim, said that it is not uncommon at all for Turkish Muslims to have also read The Bible - for it is helpful for its historical context and its insight offered theologically. I would imagine that the percentage of Christians who have also read the Koran cover to cover would be quite miniscule.

Michael

6 posted on 12/24/2003 7:36:39 AM PST by Wright is right! (Never get excited about ANYTHING by the way it looks from behind.)
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To: Wright is right!
Plus, there actually IS a tiny (2%) Christian minority living in Turkey

That's point 2 % (.2%) I think....based on This info.

7 posted on 12/24/2003 8:01:55 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: presidio9
“"...It's for the colors, the children, the presents," says her father. "We don't think of it as religious at all."“

Pretty much the way it is with most people here too.

9 posted on 12/24/2003 9:53:18 AM PST by sinclair (When government needs money they ask: What's in YOUR wallet?)
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To: Wright is right!
I have tried reading the Koran but found it boring and repetitive and eventually gave up. Some parts of the Bible such as the numberings and begats are similar but are easily skippable. With the Koran its not so easy or maybe I had a bad translation...who knows. Regardless I didn't find it inspiring literature and in some parts it seemed juvenile. From what I understand you are supposed to read it in the original arabic and translations are supposedly forbidden. I'm not about to learn arabic however.
10 posted on 12/24/2003 10:21:26 AM PST by xp38
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I have a Baba Noel Doll that I bought in Adana back in 1988 when I was stationed at Incirlik AB. It goes on the top of the mantle every year.
11 posted on 12/24/2003 10:29:00 AM PST by The Chid
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In a religious monthly magazine distributed to all 80,000 state-run mosques in the country, senior cleric Fikret Karaman railed not only against Santa but also on the decorating of fir trees, eating turkeys and drinking alcoholic beverages.

Huh?

Are Muslims forbidden to eat turkey? Never heard that one before.

12 posted on 12/24/2003 10:37:00 AM PST by B Knotts (Go 'Nucks!)
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Turks not allowed to eat Turkeys?
13 posted on 12/24/2003 11:04:14 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Wright is right!; The Chid; a_Turk
Turks Revere an Ancestor: Ol' St. Nick
14 posted on 12/24/2003 11:20:27 AM PST by Shermy
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To: RoseofTexas; MeeknMing; Mia T; nopardons; ntnychik; potlatch; PhilDragoo; Chad Fairbanks; GeronL; ..



MERRY CHRISTMAS

Jungle Jim



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lookin' for robert blake.....


17 posted on 12/24/2003 12:43:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: presidio9
Four years ago I was walking down the street in Istanbul and here came Santa, in full red outfit with beard. I'm still kicking myself because I had left my camera at my apartment. I did keep an article from the TURKISH DAILY NEWS showing a picture of a kid with Santa at one of the department stores.
18 posted on 12/24/2003 5:26:28 PM PST by JoeFromSidney
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To: B Knotts
The Old Testament has passages speaking out against the decorating of trees and drinking alcohol, but I can't think of any scripture which commands against turkeys and Santa.

The "senior cleric" must be sensitive to foreign culture being adopted by us Turks, but he ought to have realized by now that it is in our nature to do so as we have done that for thousands of years. Adoption of foreign culture is precisely why we are Muslims, for example..
19 posted on 12/24/2003 7:38:38 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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To: Destro
>> But teh scum Turks

Oh yeah? Merry Christmas to you too..
20 posted on 12/24/2003 7:43:43 PM PST by a_Turk (Temperance, Fortitude, Prudence, and Justice..)
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