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For More People in 20's and 30's, Home Is Where the Parents Are
The New York Times ^ | December 22, 2003 | TAMAR LEWIN

Posted on 12/22/2003 1:35:37 AM PST by sarcasm

On the job, James Navarro seems to be a model of mature adulthood. At 30, he is an appellate court lawyer in Brooklyn, working 50 hours a week on research to help judges decide cases.

But look at the rest of his life, and the picture becomes murkier.

Mr. Navarro lives with his parents in Queens. His mother packs lunch for him a few times a week. His bedroom still has his high school baseball trophies and a giant stuffed bunny that was a present from a former girlfriend. On weekends, he plays touch football and goes drinking and clubbing with his two best friends — both about his age, fully employed and living with their parents, too.

"When I was in college, I thought I'd be married by 24 and have a house and kids by 30," Mr. Navarro said. "Now I think the idea of being an emotionally developed male by 24 is ridiculous. I want to get married and have kids someday. But I don't feel any pressure that it has to be soon."

Mr. Navarro is no loser: he is funny, good-looking, charming — and typical of his generation's slowed-down approach to adulthood. To some extent, the data tells the story. Nearly all the traditional markers of adulthood, including marrying, getting a college degree and moving out of the family home, are occurring later than they did a generation ago.

The shape of life for those between 18 and 34 has changed so profoundly that many social scientists now think of those years as a new life stage, "transitional adulthood" — just as, a century ago, they recognized adolescence as a life stage separating childhood from adulthood.

"There used to be a societal expectation that people in their early 20's would have finished their schooling, set up a household, gotten married and started their careers," said Frank F. Furstenberg Jr., a sociology professor at the University of Pennsylvania. "But now that's the exception rather than the norm. Ask most people in their 20's whether they're adults and you get a nervous laugh. They're not sure."

Sociologists say there are several indicators of this state of mind. Nationwide, the median age of first marriage, which hovered around 21 for women and 23 for men from the 1940's to the 1970's, has risen steadily since to 25 for women and 27 for men.

Education takes longer. Only about a third of those who go straight from high school to four-year residential colleges graduate four years later. With so many young people taking time out to make money or change direction, most education experts now use six-year graduation rates as their benchmarks.

Perhaps the most striking change, though, has been in the proportion of young adults nationwide who live with their parents. To be sure, the numbers remain small — about 14 percent. Nonetheless, between 1970 and 2000, the most recent census, the percentage of 24- to 34-year-olds living with parents or grandparents increased by 50 percent. During the boom years of the 90's, the trend reversed slightly among those in their 20's but held steady among those in their 30's.

The Census Bureau's Current Population Survey shows that the numbers are on the rise again. The trend is most visible in New York — 30 percent of the New York-Northeastern New Jersey area's 22- to 31-year-olds live with their parents — followed by Los Angeles and other large, expensive cities.

The changes raise many policy concerns, chief among them that most American institutions are still built around the idea that people in their 20's are fully autonomous. Young adults coming out of the foster care system, or the juvenile justice system, get no continuing support. Health insurance cuts off, even for 20-somethings in affluent families.

Then, too, the longer transition to adulthood has striking implications for parenthood.

"Parenting used to be thought of as a life stage of about 18 years," said Robert Schoeni, a professor at the University of Michigan who works at its Institute for Social Research. "If it means continuing support for 30 or even 34 years, that's not always comfortable for parents who were raised under very different conditions and were expected to be on their own much earlier."

In part, Professor Furstenberg and others say, the longer transition to adulthood reflects an economy in which most jobs that pay enough to support middle-class life require years of advanced education. For most young people, that means years of semiautonomy, in which they piece together loans, part-time jobs and whatever money their families can provide. Many spend their 20's and early 30's shuttling between college and work, professional school and travel, community service and internships, never earning enough to settle down, marry and raise a child.

Nancy Dye, president of Oberlin College, said that whereas most graduates used to go straight on to graduate school, having chosen at least a preliminary career path, many now stick around, uncertain of their direction. A few years ago, she said, "students came up with a new term, F.T.L. — failure to launch."

In interviews with dozens of 20-somethings, most say they share a sense that there is no right time to have completed their education, lived on their own or gotten married, that such fixed expectations have no place in their lives. And many see it as beneficial to step slowly and gradually into adult life.

"I think it's great, and really important, to take time to date and travel and hang out with your friends," said Elisabeth Levy, 28, a catering sales manager at a private club in Midtown Manhattan. "This way, when you do finally settle down, you're really ready, and you don't wake up at 33, married with two kids and a house, and trapped, like `How did this happen?' and `What did I do with my life?' "

Those living at home, even if employed in good jobs, often describe their arrangements as sensible and mature, in that instead of throwing away money on rent, they are saving money toward their future. And if, meanwhile, they are back in their childhood bedrooms, working at low-paying jobs to save enough to continue their educations or buy homes, they say, that is no tragedy.

For many, the 20's are a floating, flexible, exploratory time.

"For the last few years, my life has been so up in the air," said Jennie Schneier, 24, who works part time in public radio. "Several of my friends have started applying to grad schools. One is applying to three different types of grad school — law, business and photography — to see where she'll get in.

"I find grad school appealing, too, because I like the idea of settling into something. But I don't have any idea what to study."

Ms. Schneier, who has lived with her parents for three years, recently moved from an unpaid internship to a job where she is paid one day a week. "Sometimes I think it's ridiculous that I'm about to turn 25 and can't support myself," she said. "I've regressed a little since I've been back with my parents: If I'm home by 6:30, there's dinner on the table. And my dad does the laundry."

The Research Network on Adult Transitions, a team of social scientists directed by Professor Furstenberg and financed by the MacArthur Foundation, has for years been gathering data on 18- to 34-year-olds: when they reach the traditional markers (later, throughout the Western world), what they think constitutes adulthood (self-sufficiency, a full-time job and an independent household, but not necessarily marriage or children), when they feel most adult (at work), how much support they get from their parents (on average, $38,000, or $2,200 a year from 18 to 34).

The return to the nest of children in their 20's and 30's can be a jolt for parents. Several parents with newly returned children, who would not be quoted by name for fear of hurting their children's feelings, agreed that despite the pleasures of having their offspring close at hand, their return had been stressful and, in some cases, disruptive of their plans to sell a large home, retire or move.

Suddenly, they say, everything is up for grabs: Who will be home for dinner? Who will cook dinner? If a parent is wakened at 2 a.m. by the smell of cooking, and rises in the morning to find no milk for breakfast, dirty dishes in the sink and a house full of sleeping 20-somethings, what is the right response?

Many parents face not one departure and one return, but a revolving door, as one after another of their offspring leaves for college, returns, leaves for graduate school, returns, moves for a job and returns again.

At the Navarro household, in Maspeth, Queens, all four grown children are back home: James; his two brothers, 27 and 25; and their sister, 23.

"Michael, the 27-year-old, talks about moving out, but he never does it," James Navarro said. "It doesn't make me feel too much like a kid to live there. As I've gotten older, I appreciate my parents more."

Still, it is not the life Mr. Navarro envisioned. In high school, he was a star athlete, good enough, he thought, for a professional baseball career. To that end, he chose St. Thomas University in Miami. But his baseball dreams did not pan out, so after graduating he returned home and spent two years working as a security officer in Midtown Manhattan.

"I knew I wouldn't be doing that too long, but I didn't know what I would do," he said, describing a state of mind that seems to descend on many of his generation as they leave college. "I thought about teaching, social work, working for a nonprofit, but law school seemed the most challenging."

Most of Mr. Navarro's closest friends remain unmarried, he said, and not quite ready, at least financially, to set up households.

"I've only been to one wedding in the last three years, and that was because a girl I know wanted me to go as her date," he said.

But one of his best friends is in a relationship that has become increasingly serious. And hanging over their lunchtime banter is the first tinge of awareness that they may be getting a bit old for the lives they lead.

"On New Year's Eve, sometimes, we have these motivational talks," Mr. Navarro said. "We'll say, we're getting older, we can't go to these places with teeny-boppers anymore."

They laugh and begin talking about the weekend football team. They are asked about the age range of the other players.

Mr. Navarro gets a look of mock alarm: "Who's the oldest? Oh, no, is it me?"


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To: ChefKeith
Other families looking for income at home have said that's pretty much a swindle, although I suppose there are exceptions.

Spring isn't too far off here in the South - there will be landscaping work, especially with all the new construction.
41 posted on 12/22/2003 6:38:35 AM PST by Tax-chick (My baby is 2 today!)
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To: sarcasm
There are a number of reasons for the widespread trend. Here are a few;

1. Many young people graduate from college with useless degrees and can't support themselves on the minimum wage jobs for which they only qualify. Rather than live within their limited means, they prefer to live on what their parents have taken years to build. They think that is the norm and they deserve it as they have "education". Well, "education" today isn't what education was 35 years ago, much less 75 years ago!

2. A lot of kids want "it" now; travel, fun, finding themselves, hanging out, whatever. In other words, they want "retirement" benefits starting at age 25, not 65 as was customary.

3. It is difficult to support oneself and a family nowadays on a "normal" job. Because "everybody" works, it often takes two incomes to comfortably support two people. Thirty-five years ago, many more jobs were capable of supporting a family. Not today.

4. Young people are now pampered by society from babyhood. That has not been the case until fairly recently.

I was working my first job when I was 12. I rode my bike to work, without a safety helmet. I used my money wisely, saving much of it for college. I also owned my own .22, which I used responsibly when and as I wished. Today, kids at 12 still wear their mandated bicycle helmets which they have worn since their training-wheel days, are given allowances they can spend freely at the mall on the latest expensisve fashions, and have been inculcated with fears of everything not approved by the nanny-staters.

No wonder they want to stay home with Mommy and Daddy. It's a safe place and they don't have to accept responsiblity for themselves. They can continue to live like the teenagers they never were encouraged to outgrow.

42 posted on 12/22/2003 6:38:36 AM PST by Gritty ("The rights of free people derive from the laws of nature, not their chief magistrate-Jefferson)
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To: raybbr
The true story here is that things across this nation are very very different. In NYC and the surrounding area, one can not even think about moving into a house for less than about 300k. With the massive taxation approaching 60% when you add everything up, it is no question why it is harder in some of these areas to even find housing, let alone move into it.
43 posted on 12/22/2003 6:38:39 AM PST by chris1
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To: sarcasm
Lots of venom here on this thread so far.

There are lots of people who go home for periods of time... I did when I was in my upper 20s. ended up staying a few years and it was actually me going nuts and my father not wanting to be alone if I left. It ended up being a fine period of life.... we were able to work together on a major remodel, learning alot about both each other, as adults, and learn a lot about building a house.

Never occured to me that our decisions to do this.... would anger people or cause scorn.
44 posted on 12/22/2003 6:38:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: MissAmericanPie
How interesting you consider a male to parasite if he still lives at home with their parents, while if they are female, it is because she can afford not too and you make excuses to support your view, while you give no examples as to why to guy is a parasite.

My, how sexist of you.

45 posted on 12/22/2003 6:42:01 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Gritty
4. Young people are now pampered by society from babyhood. That has not been the case until fairly recently.

Now that is BS, the entire problem with the Bady Boomer generation is because most of them (NOT ALL) became spoiled brats by their parents (and they did not grow out of it), which lead to the chaos and problems of the 60's, 70's and to where we are at now.

46 posted on 12/22/2003 6:45:11 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: sarcasm
Mr. Navarro is no loser:

False.

47 posted on 12/22/2003 6:45:28 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Dean, a constant critic of the war now left looking like a monkey whose organ grinder had run away.)
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To: sarcasm
I especially take exception at the comment by the twenty-eight-year-old Ms. Levy. As I am 33, married (12 years) have two children and the only time I feel trapped is when I have to watch live events on CNN Intl' and pray they don't open their mouths.


Her comments go to show how immature she really is if she thinks one has to have gotten ready for marriage by playing with her girlfriends, as if being prepared to be sent into Biosphere II for the rest of her life. Has she not seen any healthy marriages? I have tons of outside activities that don't involve my DH, love going out with the girls and have taken trips on my own. Yet having a life-long helper, lover and best friend is the reason I enjoy those activities even more. IMO it's this type of thinking that is leading to these so-called "starter marriages" in the last few years, where the "kids" can't even stick it out 12 months.

The only thing I think is positive about this is that at least they aren't shacking up with someone.
48 posted on 12/22/2003 6:45:51 AM PST by SaucyCranberry
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To: sarcasm
"Now I think the idea of being an emotionally developed male by 24 is ridiculous. I want to get married and have kids someday. But I don't feel any pressure that it has to be soon."

I had a conversation with a very smart fellow this weekend who insisted that people should marry younger - at 18. A pursuasive argument can be made that people, forced to cope with real life earlier, are able to manage (and avoid) life's occassional hardships down the road.

Also, men and women (not calling them children) at 18 are not yet so set in their ways that compromising for marriage has become an impossibility. The selfishness and habitual intertia that ossifies with single living is harder to change as the years go by - hence later life couples can't cope, won't compromise, and will probably divorce.

A man and woman, living together as man and wife, can afford to move out of mom and dad's basement.

49 posted on 12/22/2003 6:48:35 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: sarcasm
When I was 18 my dad showed me the door. I was not because he did not love me, but because his obligation to me was over. My dad raised me to be a smart young man capable of making sound decisions, and I appreciate that more than anything. Then again I think I come from a strange family because my mom and dad are still married, we prayed before dinner, I still call my mom - mom and my dad - dad - you know the regular stuff that is not so regular anymore. Me living at home at 30, not going to happen.
50 posted on 12/22/2003 6:50:13 AM PST by Rays_Dad
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To: visualops
When my youngest goes to college, our new "home" will be a 22' trailer, and we'll visit THEM for holidays. ;) I think the parents that allow this sort of irresponsibility are just idiots.
51 posted on 12/22/2003 6:50:31 AM PST by walden
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To: sarcasm
LOL. This is my sister's children. 22 and 25, I don't know if they can go to the bathroom without her micro-management. Neither of them have ever had significant others. The eldest, a boy, flies home for every single break he has ever had for school. Five, six times a year. I just know after graduation they will move on to grad school and continue.
52 posted on 12/22/2003 6:50:57 AM PST by riri
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To: HairOfTheDog
There's a big difference between your situation and what is happening w/ kids in their 20s and 30s. Most of these kids live at home b/c they want a maid and not have to worry if the electric is going to be turned off. That's where the scorn is coming from.

I had the opportunity to work with my Dad, too. It was a great learning experience.

53 posted on 12/22/2003 6:53:21 AM PST by bigeasy_70118
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To: sarcasm
These are kids that refuse to GROW UP and take on some RESPONSIBILITY. Parents that house these immature free loaders are as bad as the kids - it's all about feelings!
54 posted on 12/22/2003 6:54:01 AM PST by nmh
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To: Jim Cane
I was 20 when I married my 18 year old bride Desiree. We now have a three-year-old son. Desiree is about six classes away from her BA and I have just started school. We own four cars, three of which are payed for. I don't know many 30 year olds that live like Desiree and I. We were forced to learn how to manage our small amounts of money when we were first married. Now that the money is coming in a little better we can afford a few nicer things, still maitaining financial responsibility. Financial Responsibility - now there is something completely uncommon for young people.
55 posted on 12/22/2003 6:55:07 AM PST by Rays_Dad
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To: raybbr
Second, why, after years of forcing children to grow up so fast, are they surprised that they finally want to experience childhood?

Are these the kids that were raised by day care while mom was fulfilling her own ambitions in a career? This is the day care generation we are talking about.

56 posted on 12/22/2003 6:55:56 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: sarcasm
Mr. Navarro's mommy and daddy are chumps. Mommy packs his lunch? Good grief. I wonder if she also washes his socks and shorts. I pity the poor woman who decides the Mr. Navarro is a good catch and marries him. She'll probably be expected to be his mommy, too, and take care of him. This is pathetic. This guy still his his stuffed animals in his room!
57 posted on 12/22/2003 6:57:52 AM PST by .38sw
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To: bigeasy_70118
There is no difference. I had to go home because I lost a job. It just turned into being something good for both of us when I ended up staying a few years. I don't scorn family for keeping care of family longer than they ~have to~. There is nothing about that decision that should upset anyone.
58 posted on 12/22/2003 6:59:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: sarcasm
Since I'm not going to let my daughter date until she's 35, I guess it's ok if she stays at home.

Provided she pays rent, of course.

59 posted on 12/22/2003 7:00:18 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Tax-chick
These articles generally imply, if they don't specifically state, that the "adult children" are not contributing meaningfully to the parents' household work or expenses.

I guess we can agree that liberal losers should not move back home then.

60 posted on 12/22/2003 7:00:37 AM PST by Dosa26
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