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The latest Civil War skirmish: Public school names
WVEC.com ^ | 12/20/03 | Steve Szkotak

Posted on 12/20/2003 5:17:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur

In the parking lot of Jefferson Davis Middle School, a civil war of words is being waged over a petition drive to erase the name of the slave-owning Confederate president from the school.

Opinion is mixed, and it's not necessarily along racial lines.

"What are they going to name it, Allen Iverson Middle School?" asks an eighth-grader, who is black and says she doesn't pay much mind to the petition effort, which she and her mother call ridiculous.

Iverson, the spectacularly talented NBA player who has a knack for attracting trouble, attended Jeff Davis.

Cam Hanson, waiting for his two kids in the family van, says erasing the Davis name would not bother him, provided the new name doesn't offend.

"Like naming it after Allen Iverson. That's offensive to me," says Hanson, who is white.

It is difficult to say how many public schools in the 11 former Confederate states are named for Civil War leaders from the South. Among the more notable names, the National Center for Education Services lists 19 Robert E. Lees, nine Stonewall Jacksons and five Davises. There are many more — J.E.B. Stuart, Turner Ashby, George Edward Pickett — with at least one school bearing their name.

For some, these men who defended a system that allowed slavery should not be memorialized on public schools where thousands of black children are educated.

"If it had been up to Robert E. Lee, these kids wouldn't be going to school as they are today," said civil rights leader Julian Bond, now a history professor at the University of Virginia. "They can't help but wonder about honoring a man who wanted to keep them in servitude."

That argument isn't accepted universally among Southern black educators, including the school superintendent in Petersburg, where about 80 percent of the 36,000 residents are black. Three schools carry the names of Confederates.

"It's not the name on the outside of the building that negatively affects the attitudes of the students inside," Superintendent Lloyd Hamlin said. "If the attitudes outside of the building are acceptable, then the name is immaterial."

The symbols and the names of the Confederacy remain powerful reminders of the South's history of slavery and the war to end it. States, communities and institutions continue to debate what is a proper display of that heritage and what amounts to iconography.

Students in South Carolina have been punished for wearing Confederate flag T-shirts to school; Clarksdale, Miss., permanently lowered the state flag, which has a Confederate emblem in one corner, to recognize "the pain and suffering it has symbolized for many years;" and the Richmond-area Boy Scouts dropped Lee's name from its council this year.

In the most sweeping change, the Orleans Parish School Board in Louisiana gave new names to schools once named for dead patriots and historical figures who owned slaves. George Washington Elementary School was renamed for Dr. Charles Richard Drew, a black surgeon who organized blood banks during World War II.

In Gadsden, Ala., however, officials have resisted efforts to rename a middle school named for Nathan Bedford Forrest, an early backer of the Ku Klux Klan; while a school board in Kentucky adopted a new dress code that eliminates bans on provocative symbols including the Confederate flag.

The naming of schools after Confederate figures is particularly rich with symbolism because of the South's slow move to integrate. Many schools were named after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled segregated schools unconstitutional in 1954 but before white flight left many inner city schools majority black.

"Now whites are complaining that they are changing the name of Stonewall Jackson High School," says Fitzhugh Brundage, a University of North Carolina history professor who is writing a book on "black and white memory from the Civil War."

While far from always the case, the naming of some public schools after Confederate generals was a parting shot to blacks emerging from segregated schools.

"It was an attempt to blend the past with the present but holding onto a romanticized past," Jennings Wagoner, a U.Va. scholar on the history of education, said of the practice of naming schools after Lee, Jackson and others. "It was also a time of extreme racism."

Erenestine Harrison, who launched the petition drive to rename Jefferson Davis Middle School, attended Hampton's segregated public schools. She moved north in 1967 and was struck by the school names upon her return seven years ago to Hampton, a city at the mouth of Chesapeake Bay. Educated as a psychologist, she has worked in the city schools as a substitute teacher.

"If I were a kid, especially a teenager, I would be ashamed to tell a friend that I went to Jefferson Davis," said Harrison, 55. "Basically, those guys fought for slavery."

Harrison said plenty of battlefields and statues sustain Confederate heritage without the schools celebrating the segregated past.

"Of course we can argue over the whole history (of the Civil War) but the end result would be black people would have continued to be in slavery," she said.

Henry Kidd, former Virginia commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, sees efforts by Harrison and others as a "chipping away, piece by piece, at our history." Like many defenders of the Confederacy, he views the Civil War as a fight over states' rights and economics.

"The causes of the war had nothing to do with slavery," Kidd said. "The founders of our country — Thomas Jefferson and George Washington — were slave owners. We know today they were wrong but at that time that was the belief."

Time is taking care of some of the naming debates as schools built in the mid-50s and 60s are replaced by newer buildings.

"Many new schools are being named for African-American or civil rights leaders," said William G. Thomas, a Southern historian and director of the Virginia Center for Digital History at U.Va. "Across the South, the energy has gone into naming new schools."

Even Harrison dropped an effort to rename Robert E. Lee Elementary in Hampton after learning that he was reluctant to battle the North and did not own slaves.

Back at Davis Middle School, the parent of the 8th-grader finds "poetic justice" in her bright young daughter excelling at a school named after a slave owner and where two of three students are black.

"He must be rolling his grave to see so many smart young African-American students," she said of Davis.


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KEYWORDS: civilwar; dixie; dixielist; heritage; purge; renaming
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"He must be rolling his grave to see so many smart young African-American students," she said of (Jefferson) Davis.

Boy has she got that right!

Still this whole crusade aimed at purging anything and everything to do with the rebel cause is absolutely ridiculous. The Civil War happened. It won't go away just because these people want it to. Leave the school names and the confederate flags alone.

1 posted on 12/20/2003 5:17:34 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well, maybe not. As a true liberal, I am deeply offended by all the places that are, today, being named after Confederate Army General Stonewall Jackson. I saw no reason to modify the name of the Atlanta airport to include an honor for him.

Nor, do I understand why so many orientals the world around have adopted the name of another Confederate Army General, Robert E. Lee.

2 posted on 12/20/2003 5:30:19 PM PST by Tacis
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To: stainlessbanner
ping
3 posted on 12/20/2003 5:30:19 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"If it had been up to Robert E. Lee, these kids wouldn't be going to school as they are today," said civil rights leader Julian Bond,

More proof that Julian Bond is an ignorant cretin.
4 posted on 12/20/2003 5:32:41 PM PST by tet68
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To: Non-Sequitur
"They can't help but wonder about honoring a man who wanted to keep them in servitude."per Julian Bond.

Well, we better start taking all the names off Schools that have Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Maxine Waters, the Progressive Black Caucus membership, etc., as these are the ones even today who are trying to keep the "servitude" going (to keep their voters electing them), where they DEPEND on OTHERS for their existence.....

Maybe Reparations are in order from THE PROGRESSIVE BLACK CAUCUS MEMBERS directly to THEIR servants.......????????

5 posted on 12/20/2003 5:32:44 PM PST by traditional1
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The solution is to adopt the old Soviet system, e.g. "Government School number 237."
6 posted on 12/20/2003 5:32:53 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: Tacis
Not to mention that Congressperson from Houston whose name glorifies two of the worst of the worst: Sheila Jackson-Lee. (sarcasm)
7 posted on 12/20/2003 5:51:54 PM PST by 07055
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To: Malesherbes
Public School # 666 ??

Isn't that exactly like it's done in the Peoples Republic of NYC ?
8 posted on 12/20/2003 5:53:14 PM PST by steplock (www.FOCUS.GOHOTSPRINGS.com)
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"The solution is to adopt the old Soviet system, e.g. "Government School number 237."

In Bayonne, NJ, all the Elementary schools have names as well as numbers, except for one, PS #14. It's the school with no name. I figure they are holding out to name it after someone special. Maybe one day it will be George W. Bush School #14!

But those children do seem deprived, but I bet too that for them it is a badge of honor.
9 posted on 12/20/2003 6:26:53 PM PST by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do!)
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To: Tacis
I've always been offended by Sheila Jackson Lee.
10 posted on 12/20/2003 6:48:30 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Tacis
A proud Graduate of Robert E. Lee High school, Montgomery, Alabama!
11 posted on 12/20/2003 6:54:10 PM PST by patriota-ferus ("All that is needed for EVIL to flourish is for good men to do nothing!")
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To: *dixie_list; w_over_w; BSunday; PeaRidge; RebelBanker; PistolPaknMama; SC partisan; l8pilot; ...
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12 posted on 12/20/2003 7:41:30 PM PST by stainlessbanner (Spider Hole Inspector)
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"If it had been up to Robert E. Lee, these kids wouldn't be going to school as they are today," said civil rights leader Julian Bond, now a history professor at the University of Virginia. "They can't help but wonder about honoring a man who wanted to keep them in servitude."

Julian Bond is a racist MORON. In November 1853 Robert E. Lee paid the way for one of his wife's former slaves, one William Burke, to travel to Monrovia with his wife Rosabella and their 4 children, where William became a Presbyterian minister in 1857. Both Burkes continued to correspond with the Lees.

13 posted on 12/20/2003 7:59:08 PM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Non-Sequitur
There was a move in Seattle to change the name of the county from King County, named after William Rufus King, Vice President under Pierce and a slaveowner, to ... King County, named after Martin Luther King, noted civil rights leader. I'm not sure that the names need to be changed, but taking the Christian names off could be a compromise solution. "Davis School" is as non-descript and inoffensive as PS 481 or HS 297. BTW, given the rumors, maybe they'll have to give William King his county back.
14 posted on 12/20/2003 8:05:26 PM PST by x
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To: Non-Sequitur
For some, these men who defended a system that allowed slavery should not be memorialized on public schools where thousands of black children are educated.

I see the author learned his northern force fed propaganda quite well

"If it had been up to Robert E. Lee, these kids wouldn't be going to school as they are today," said civil rights leader Julian Bond, now a history professor at the University of Virginia. "They can't help but wonder about honoring a man who wanted to keep them in servitude."

"In 1855, he (Jackson) defied a city ordinance in his hometown of Lexington, Virginia, by starting a Sunday school for local blacks. This class continued after Jackson’s death and "birthed" no less than three black churches. One of these churches still exists to this day in Roanoke, Virginia, where on one wall is a stained glass window in honor of Jackson – showing him kneeling in prayer."

"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race."---Robert E. Lee

I agree Julian, we can't name schools after people like this!! Better to name them after men like Sherman, Grant, and the other guy. Lord knows their love for people of other races is well documented
15 posted on 12/20/2003 8:16:49 PM PST by billbears
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If I'm not mistaken, First Lady Laura Bush attended Robert E. Lee High School in Midland.
16 posted on 12/20/2003 8:22:55 PM PST by Ranald S. MacKenzie
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To: Non-Sequitur
Jefferson was opposed to slavery and freed his slaves at the start of the Civil War. Changing the school named after him is rather absurd
17 posted on 12/20/2003 8:23:28 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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whoops, correction! Thinking of Robert E. Lee, i'll go away now,
18 posted on 12/20/2003 8:24:22 PM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Let's ask Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Lee if she is offended by schools named after Jackson or Lee.
19 posted on 12/20/2003 8:29:26 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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I could understand if she was upset that a school was named after such avowed racists like that Abe Lincoln fellow or his pet Sherman. Especially Sherman, who with his fellow blue-coats executed a war of attempted GENOCIDE against the plains Indians. Under that racist Grant's supervision, that is. I sure hope no schools are named after those racist bast**ds. What a bunch of nazis they were.
20 posted on 12/20/2003 9:02:01 PM PST by thatdewd
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