To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Don't limit yourself to Catholics killed, however. Mary, Queen of Scots, was the advocate for restoring the Roman Church to supremacy and wasn't shy about the methods used. Though her forces generally favored burning the heretics as the preferred form of punishment, she wasn't called Bloody Mary for nothing.
Of course the Roman Church has a long history of bloody suppression of competing faiths (as do most all human controlled institutions that gain some form of temporal power). Limiting ourselves to just the British Isles there are the violent and murderous suppressions of pagan faiths and pre-Roman Christian traditions. Check out the history and historic ends of Iona and Holy Isle, as well as the burning of the Druids in their holy woods (though probably pre-Christian Rome, not Catholic Rome, in that case) as examples.
7 posted on
12/20/2003 12:25:55 PM PST by
Phsstpok
(often wrong, but never in doubt)
To: Phsstpok
I think you have your Mary's confused. Mary, Queen of Scots was not 'Bloody Mary'. 'Bloody Mary' was Mary Tudor, the eldest daughter of Henry VIII, half sister to Elizabeth I. Mary, Queen of Scots was a catholic, but held at house arrest by Elizabeth until her beheading due to her betrayal and working in the background to claim the English throne. I believe Mary/Scots and Elizabeth were cousins of sorts.
Red
12 posted on
12/20/2003 12:37:32 PM PST by
Conservative4Ever
(Dear Santa......I can explain.......)
To: Phsstpok
You are thinking of Bloody Mary. She is different from the Queen of Scots.
Alison Weir, a well-known writer on Tudor history says Bloody Mary's purges outnumbered those of her father (Henry VIII) and her sister (Elizabeth I) combined.
The Catholics were quite rabid in their persecutions back then as they were desperate about losing control. Also reference St. Bartholomew's massacre in France where Medici had thousands of Protestants slain.
To: Phsstpok
Relax. All sides burned their fair share of dissenters in Christian times. Check out the story of the Spanish priest Servetus, who was condemned to death as a heretic in Rome. He fled to Basle for refuge, only to be arrested and burned at the stake by Calvin's church, perhaps for not being the right kind of heretic, or not being heretical enough!
Sometimes, ya just can't catch a break!
To: Phsstpok
Bloody Mary and Mary Queen of Scots were two different people. Bloody Mary was Mary Tudor and she was Elizabeth I's half-sister, daughter of Henry XIII's first wife, Katherine.
Mary, Queen of Scots, was a cousin who had a claim to the English throne because many people considered Elizabeth to be a 'bastard' because they considered Henry's marriage to her mother, Ann Bolyn, to be illegitimate because he had divorced his first wife (Mary Tudor's mother) to marry her.
To: Phsstpok
Why did he add Cromwell into this? Henry the eight and Cromwell and More. I do not get that at all.
100 posted on
12/20/2003 5:56:14 PM PST by
sawyer
To: Phsstpok
Mary Queen of Scots was not "Bloody Mary". That title rightfully belonged to Mary Tudor, half sister to Elizabeth I, and her predecessor on the throne. Mary Stewart was never able to gain the English throne but if she had there's little doubt she would have been just as ruthless as Mary Tudor in stamping out Protestantism in England.
112 posted on
12/20/2003 6:50:12 PM PST by
katana
To: Phsstpok
Except that the report deals with the number of Catholics killed. No group of people is entirely clean of evil, however, the question asked for specific information. You're attempting to turn this into a "well, they're more evil than we are" situation.
165 posted on
12/21/2003 1:48:11 PM PST by
Junior
(To sweep, perchance to clean... Aye, there's the scrub.)
To: Phsstpok
Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots, was not Bloody Mary. That was Mary Tudor, Elizabeth's older sibling.
202 posted on
12/23/2003 9:26:43 AM PST by
LexBaird
(Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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