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Saddam scrubbed from list of descendants of the Prophet Mohammed
AFP ^
| 12/17/03
Posted on 12/17/2003 1:48:07 PM PST by TexKat
BAGHDAD (AFP) - The name of Saddam Hussein has been removed from the list of descendants of Islam's Prophet Mohammed, the head of the union of Ashrafs, who guard the genealogical tree, told AFP.
Al-Sherif Najeh Mohammed Hassan al-Faham al-Aaraji admitted that the ousted dictator had been able to cheat despite the great value and honour attached to the line which is guarded in Baghdad.
"Saddam had forced the origin experts to falsify his genealogical tree so that it went back to the Prophet," he said.
"We will inform all the experts, and particularly those who yielded to Saddam and agreed to falsify his genealogical tree. But the real trusted experts are very few in number and all refused."
Aaraji showed AFP a photo of Saddam's tree including a large book of origins which go back to the imams Hassan and Hussein, sons of the imam Ali bin Abi Taleb by his wife Fatima, a daughter of the Prophet.
The cancellation of Saddam's noble lineage was decided three days after his capture by US forces on Saturday night near Tikrit, in northern Iraq.
The Ashrafs' union was set up after the fall of the old regime on April 9 by the men who under Saddam were part of councils of the sayeds, or lords, descending from Hassan and Hussein.
The union has the backing of religious dignitaries from all Muslim traditions, including the hawza Shiite seminary in Najaf as well as the interim interior ministry, Aaraji said.
On Tuesday the union held its first congress "to build the new Iraq", attended by Sunni and Shiite ashrafs, representatives of the interim Governing Council and other Iraqi communities.
"The first committee of ashrafs was set up in Kufa (Iraq) in 830 in the era of the Abbasids," said Ahmad Khoder al-Abbasi, head of the Arab committee of origins.
It moved to Baghdad, which became a centre for similar committees from the Arab and Muslim world. In the 1800s, the Ottomans suspended its activities and in 1917 the British scrapped the union totally, Abbasi said.
TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; aaraji; agitprop; ashrafs; changingfacts; descendants; genealogicaltree; genealogy; georgeorwell; hawza; iraqaftermath; islam; islams; najaf; origins; prisonersaddam; propaganda; prophetmohammed; revisionisthistory; saddam; saddamhussein; saddamincustody; saddamtoppled; topplesaddam
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Bummer. Hey does this mean he can eat pork now?Unless they've changed the main ingredient in Spam, I think he was already :)
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:15:43 PM PST
by
mewzilla
To: RS
How dare you insult us Yankee Trash !Got my bases covered, had family on both sides of the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression. :)
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:20:11 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Saddam looked like he could use a "Baath Party".)
To: Constitution Day
Must have been that Clump Sherman.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:20:46 PM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: Constitution Day
I'm thinkin' McClellan...
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:21:15 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Saddam looked like he could use a "Baath Party".)
To: Tijeras_Slim
Hey! As a carpetbagging piece of Yankee trash, I resent that!
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:21:31 PM PST
by
My2Cents
("Well....there you go again...")
To: My2Cents
I guess that means no Christmas card... :-(
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:24:58 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Saddam looked like he could use a "Baath Party".)
To: mewzilla
Unless they've changed the main ingredient in Spam, I think he was already :)Spam is too good for that bum. For that matter so is Menudo and chitlins. Okay, chitlins are gross, so go ahead and dig in, Saddam >:-)
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:27:13 PM PST
by
TheSpottedOwl
(Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
To: TexKat
I'd say he behaves perfectly like a descendant of the pedophile profit...
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:27:16 PM PST
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: Tijeras_Slim
Got you beat there- I have ancestors from both sides of the Norman conquest in 1066, both sides of the Seven Years' War and both sides of the Battle of Trafalgar. What's a half-English/half-French/half Irish fella to do?
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:27:17 PM PST
by
Squawk 8888
(Earth first! We can mine the other planets later.)
To: Squawk 8888
What's a half-English/half-French/half Irish fella to do?I'm not sure, but fightin' and drinkin' comes to mind.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:28:52 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Saddam looked like he could use a "Baath Party".)
To: TexKat
Must it be Mad Arab Mohammed or just any quack Mohammed?
To: Squawk 8888
"What's a half-English/half-French/half Irish fella to do?"Not become a mathematician...three halves?
To: TexKat
I can't imagine why he would not be a descendant of Mohammed when just about everyone else is. I think I am, as are most other folks who trace back to certain European monarchs, which is just about everyone in the US with European ancestry.
Someone else here will know the details better than I do, but as I remember it one of the English kings that a lot of Americans are descended from was descended from Muhammed.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:32:35 PM PST
by
Montfort
To: TexKat
Considering two of the products he was subsisting on were canned ham and vienna sausages (which I'm sure also contain a hefty quality of a pork like substance), I think he's slipped in his Muslim faith a bit.
To: TheSpottedOwl
For real, on one of the cable news reports when they were naming off stuff that they found in the kitchen area where Saddam was found in the hole, they found cans of SPAM.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:33:10 PM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: Cicero
He's also being kicked out of the Mayflower Descendents and the Daughters of the American Revolution.
The DAR has much stricter standards than he could ever produce
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:35:23 PM PST
by
boxerblues
(If you can read this.. Thank a Teacher..If you can read this in English ..Thank a US Soldier)
To: Tijeras_Slim
Maybe we can cheer up Saddam by sending him a nice Christmas ham.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:36:31 PM PST
by
My2Cents
("Well....there you go again...")
To: TexKat
So, he WAS a descendant before the wise old Islamist union figured out we really could kick his *ss. Now they decide he's not. Funny. Oh well, leave it to a union to be so lacking in ethics.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:37:37 PM PST
by
manic4organic
(An organic conservative)
To: mewzilla; TheSpottedOwl
I wonder about that Spam thing. Surely Saddam has polluted himself with that stuff. Where does he go for absolution, Saddam being as religious man an all? I surprised that a country such as Iraq would even allow pork products cross its borders. Are they like the USA in prohibition times, when some on would go over to the county line for some bacon?
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:41:52 PM PST
by
oyez
(Incredible.)
To: mewzilla
And he had sticks of salami hanging from some sort of line.
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posted on
12/17/2003 2:43:10 PM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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