Posted on 12/17/2003 10:42:40 AM PST by Pyro7480
Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
'It Is as It Was'
Mel Gibson's "The Passion" gets a thumbs-up from the pope.
Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:06 p.m.
Here's some happy news this Christmas season, an unexpected gift for those who have seen and admired Mel Gibson's controversial movie, "The Passion," and wish to support it. The film has a new admirer, and he is a person of some influence. He is in fact the head of the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.
(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...
Thing what most of you don't realize is that I've seen catholic worship, I've done my homework, I've done the comparisons, I've done the studying needed to completely analyze this subject. None of this done after I read the books published by the likes of Hunt or Ankerberg, IT WAS BEFORE.
It's too bad most folks don't do the same and do what I've been accused of doing, listening the rantings of the feeble minded. I know the truth, and unfortunately the truth will isolate or even have me "excommunicated" (to borrow a word from the catholic rulebook). I don't care, all I know is that I know the truth and nothing you folks here will say will change my mind. Even if you put aside Rivera and Chiniquy, the overwhelming evidence against the catholic church stemming from the Dark Ages and the Inquisition is enough to condemn her.
Charles Chiniquy was known as a preacher who helped start the reformation in the Bible belt in the midwest. Yes he said that jesuits killed Abraham Lincoln. Only God can knows if that one was true or not.
If you want defenders of the protestant church who also preach against the catholic church, try the likes of D.L. Moody, Charles Spurgeon, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, John Wycliffe, John Rogers; then of course our modern experts on false teachings, John Ankerberg, Dave Breese, JR Church, Jimmy DeYoung, Russ Doughten, Daymond Duck, Arno Froese, Phillip Goodman, John Hagee, Ed Hindson, Dave Hunt, Thomas Ice, Terry James, Grant Jeffrey, David Jeremiah, Gary Kah, Tim LaHaye, Zola Levitt, David Allen Lewis, Hal Lindsey, Chuck Missler, David Noeble, Charles Pack, Donald Perkins, Randall Price, David Reagan, Larry Spargimino, Perry Stone, John Walvoord. There are more who know the truth than you know.
Good question. You seem to think I'm unaware of the content of the writings of your legion of authors. If so you're wrong. I've read some of them, heard others speak. I find their history to be inaccurate, their Scripture study to be incomplete and incorrect, their logic to be fallacious, and their conclusions to be wrong. Other than that, they're great. I've weighed them in the balance, and found them wanting. I've searched the Scriptures, and found them contradicted. By calling them "Legion" (and you do perfectly well know what I mean by that) I'm not ridiculing them. I'm assessing where I think their inspiration comes from. That you, and others, mistake their gibbering for truth is truly sad.
I could say that your teachers are "legion" but then I'd lowering myself to your level and to do so is beneath me. I don't do that to people, unlike others. I don't resort to insults.
I'm afraid, in my humble opinion, that you are wrong about them, but then we could go back and forth forever and not change each others mind or actually hold an intelligent conversation. We're just going to have to "agree to disagree" on this matter and leave it at that.
No matter what my opinion is of the catholic church, I stand by my early statements that the Pope's five words "It is as it Was" are beyond a doubt the most profound I've heard spoken by anyone, catholic or protestant, about Mel Gibson's film and I for one will go to see it.
Oh, by the way, I count among my friends numerous catholics, even priests, the same priests and friends who do acknowledge the Inquisition, Dark Ages, false teachings in the catholic church though they themselves are catholic.
Never said that. Read it again.
As for the rest, this should have been a thread about the "Passion of Christ" movie. But you and your buddy sassafras just had to drag the anti-Catholic stuff into it. And stow the false sanctimony: your teachers just love to babble about the "whore of babylon", so don't whine when they get their stuff thrown back at them. It's unseemly.
I stand by my early statements that the Pope's five words "It is as it Was" are beyond a doubt the most profound I've heard spoken by anyone, catholic or protestant, about Mel Gibson's film and I for one will go to see it.
Now there's something we can agree on. I know where I'll be on 25FEB2004 ...
On the protestant teachers that WILL get their stuff blown back at them, I'll agree with you there. Most are as blind as those they lead.
As for the film, it will have english sub-titles will it not?
Why is it "amazing"?
If the film is presented in a biblically accurate way, as it seems to be, there is no problem.
english sub-titles will it not?
I believe so, although his original intention was not to. Gibson thought the story sufficiently familiar, and visually powerful enough, to render them superfluous. I hope they will be switchable on the DVD. I'd like to be able to watch it the way MG intended, and see if it really works the way he thinks it will.
I believe that plan has been revised and subtitles will be included. To those that laugh about "why do you need them": Chill out. It would be nice if some who are not familiar with certain aspects of what happened were informed via the film. No need to lord your superior knowledge over them, but be pleased they will hear The Word.
How about a compromise. You don't tell him how to handle snakes and he won't tell you what to call the Pope. ;~))
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