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1 posted on 12/13/2003 5:09:46 AM PST by veronica
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To: veronica
Then, muslims won't mind role playing for their Jewish and Christian "brothers and sisters" and I would certainly demand that as taxpayers as being the equitable solution to this problem. Let's see how many muslims adhere to this line of education and can be found in attendance.
2 posted on 12/13/2003 5:18:17 AM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: veronica
I got suspended once for bringing firecrackers to school.
3 posted on 12/13/2003 5:20:13 AM PST by putupon ("Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"-Jorge Arbusto)
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To: veronica
Baptism and Communion roll playing
coming soon to your public schools.
6 posted on 12/13/2003 5:37:24 AM PST by PaxMacian
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"required students to recite a line from a prayer and made them give up something for a day"

What kind of idiot does it take not to realize that prayer and sacrifice are the most fundamental aspects of religious practice? Moreover, prayer as delineated by the Koran and the Bible are fundamentally antithetical. "Requiring" a Christian child to pray from the Koran is undoubtedly unconstitutional and certainly vile.
7 posted on 12/13/2003 5:43:45 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: veronica
the state requires all seventh-grade world history courses to include a unit on Muslim history

I wonder if they get to this.

ML/NJ

8 posted on 12/13/2003 5:57:55 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: veronica
Judge OKs Role-Playing as Muslims in School"

Do they use real swords?

ML/NJ

9 posted on 12/13/2003 5:59:13 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: veronica
According to the article the suit was brought by two "Christian" children and their parents.

Only two? There is a great part of the problem.

Even bigger was that the article reported them as "two Christian" ... implying that only Christians have a problem with the schools ipso-facto endorsement of a real minority and insidious philosophy calling for the conversion or DEATH of all nonbelievers.

Where was the outcry from 80% of the students and their parents, Christian or not.

While the battles may not be over ... we (America) has lost.

10 posted on 12/13/2003 6:18:12 AM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: veronica; Avoiding_Sulla; Dog Gone
I have been told by several Muslims that, according to their theology, if a person merely says the words, "there is no other G*d but Allah and Mohammed is his profit" (deliberate changes), that no matter how cynically it is said, even with no intent whatever to truly acknowledge Allah as such, THE SPEAKER IS THEN A MUSLIM AND BECOMES SUBJECT TO SHARIA LAW. Thus, those proceedings may not have been INTENDED by the schools as religious rites, but those whose religion is being discussed do so regard it. Any Christian or Jew who understood that should properly regard it as sacrelige, not mere cultural education. One could either consider it a form of government enforced sacrelige against those who hold other faiths (for which the government has no power to prevent their option to refuse the proceeding via the free exercise clause) OR it is in fact a Muslim rite that has been misrepresented. In either case, as far as Muslims are concerned, those kids have subjected themselves to a religious rite that has placed their lives in either spiritual or physical jeopardy and certainly has no place in a public school.

IMHO, they are being set up. If all American kids have somehow "magically" (thank you NEA) said these words, then Muslims, knowing that, have a basis for passing judgment and executing punishment. America will have thus been put into a position of being forced to fight Islam to the death.

If this fact was not made a key point of the original case against the school district, then the way it was prosecuted is beyond incompetent. It is, in my opinion, a major failing of American law that such pertinent facts cannot be added for consideration upon appeal.

13 posted on 12/13/2003 9:09:31 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: veronica
She noted that the state requires all seventh-grade world history courses to include a unit on Muslim history, culture and religion.

Certainly this unit would include the other world religions, and a non-emotional review of what is happening in the name of these world religions.

Unfortunately, most of the teachers in the country are not prepard to cover these issues correctly, (It is more the province of a "World's Religions College Course".) I would need to know more about the tone and indoctrination that was going on in the classroom.

I went to school in Contra Costa county and our english teacher emphasized communism so much in her course that she was finally removed by the administration. That likely does not happen today.

I taught for ten years in the San Mateo High school district. If I were still a teacher in the district, I would teach a few lessons about the Muslim religion giving rise to a fanatic element that is responsible for much of the terrorism going on in the world today. I would have no problem admitting that many other religions have their share of fanatics, but they do not currently support terrorism. I would keep my personal religious beliefs out of the discussion. I wonder how long I would be allowed to teach?

16 posted on 12/13/2003 9:36:24 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: veronica
recited prayers in class

Gee, I thought that no prayers were allowed in school. Did I oversleep and miss a court ruling?

17 posted on 12/13/2003 11:14:42 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: veronica
This is why we need vouchers. Let parents vote with their (kids) feet when this cr*p happens.

And I dont for a moment mind if my kids learn *about* Islam. But this indoctrination of anything anti-Christian is too much.
18 posted on 12/13/2003 12:11:53 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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