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1 posted on 12/12/2003 10:03:21 AM PST by quidnunc
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Sounds like a Socialist 'paradise' to me.
2 posted on 12/12/2003 10:08:24 AM PST by kb2614 (".....We've done nothing and were all out of ideas!!")
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I hear Americans complain about the cost of medical bills but I would rather my child be alive and have a bill to pay than to be dead at no charge.

Just about sums it up, ey?

3 posted on 12/12/2003 10:09:20 AM PST by PaulJ
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It has been said that Seattle mirrors Canada

Ah.  So that's why Seattle's such a little suck pot.

I've been here since 91 and now it all makes sense.

5 posted on 12/12/2003 10:13:01 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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If you or your company do not comply with regulations then the official language "police" will be at your door. If you want to pursue a career in retail, the police, the post office, government, business and even the military, you must be bilingual.

I think this statement is inaccurate. I lived in western Canada for three years, and the only French I ever saw (I never heard anyone actually speak it) was on road signs in national parks. Even the legal documents I signed were in English.

6 posted on 12/12/2003 10:17:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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Official bilingualism – This is what most of the taxes pay for.

And if Tom Ridge has his way, we can enjoy this benefit too.

7 posted on 12/12/2003 10:20:49 AM PST by ppaul
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I spent a week in Ottowa in Aug 2001. Neat visiting, but I wouldn't want to live there. ugh
10 posted on 12/12/2003 10:22:31 AM PST by Prof Engineer (...just a moment, just a moment...I've detected a fault in the AE35 unit.)
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The part about bilingualism is really overstated. It is a big factor if you want to work for the government or if you live in Quebec, but outside of that it is just another waste of your tax dollars.

The rest of it is spot on, and could go further into the lack of property rights, restrictions on freedom, the lack of any kind of check or balance against the power of the PM, the corruption in the government, the lapdog media...
11 posted on 12/12/2003 10:22:56 AM PST by Grig
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The only thing wrong with Canada is the French-Canadians. This article makes Canada sound like a lot like France.
12 posted on 12/12/2003 10:24:11 AM PST by rllngrk33 (Liberals are guilty of everything they accuse Conservatives of.)
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Anyone know what percentage of Canadian university tuition is gov't subsidized?
15 posted on 12/12/2003 10:26:54 AM PST by ctdonath2
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I emigrated from Canada and became a US citizen 10 years ago. I love to visit Vancouver, but I would never go back to live. The differences are subtle, but real. Canadians are less free than we are, and accept a level of government intrusion into their lives that Americans would find intolerable. Unfortunately, nearly 2 generations of socialism had bred an apathy and acceptance of their situation. It frightens me to think that Dean, Hitlery, and the other commie left here in the US want to make us more like our socialist northern neighbors. We must be ever vigilant to make sure our freedom stays intact, despite our politicians.

I am thankful every day that I live here. God Bless America.
17 posted on 12/12/2003 10:30:00 AM PST by Astronaut
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Good article! Too bad the liberals can't see the error in the way the socialist way works.
27 posted on 12/12/2003 10:37:57 AM PST by sunryse
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A lot of people crack on the French influence in Canada, and rightly so...but I find there is a heavy sentimental reliance on Britain too which seems to stultify any independent Canadian spirit.

Will there ever be a separate Canadian identity?

28 posted on 12/12/2003 10:39:07 AM PST by what's up
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"It has been said that Seattle mirrors Canada in its tolerant attitudes"

Modern application of 'tolerance' is the government's encroaching on one group of people's rights to allow the spread of another group's decadence. Far from true benevolence, this type of 'tolerance' is the systematic extermination of Christian morality under the two headed beast they have named "civil rights" and "tolerance".

There is nothing 'civil' about homosexual unions, abortion, pornography, feminism, no-fault divorce, and irreligion. It's uncivility posing as freedom. Notice that with the ascendency of 'tolerance' comes the public prohibition of Christianity. Evil has become good, and good has become evil. What we need is another Emporer Constantine.

29 posted on 12/12/2003 10:39:46 AM PST by TheCrusader
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Employment – If you are English-speaking in Canada, it's difficult to find a job

In my part of the country, it is hard to find a job if you are an ENGLISH-SPEAKING AMERICAN.
31 posted on 12/12/2003 10:41:46 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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I'm as big a critic of my country and it's long slide into multicult-liberal irrelevance and overbearing government as anyone but this article is extreme to the point of being moronic.

Ever wonder why you see so many rusty cars up north? It's not just because they salt the roads in the wintertime. People can't afford new ones.

140,000 new vehicle sales in Sept 2003 according to Statistics Canada. Off 3.3% from year before but still historically strong.

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/031113/d031113b.htm

Fifty percent of the Canadian paycheck goes to taxes. And, in Ontario, for example, there's a 15-percent tax at the cash register. Think about paying that every time you buy a car, a fridge or clothes.

I'm in the top marginal tax bracket. My combined federal and provincial taxes equal about 40% of my gross income before deductions for things like retirement plan contributions, charity, and other allowable deductions. Still far too high in my opinion, but it's not 50%.

As for the "15& tax in Ontario" that's the combined 8& provincial sales tax plus the 7% federal sales tax (GST). The GST replaced a 12.5% manufacturers tax that was hidden. All provinces pay this amount except Albertal as they don't have a provincial sales tax. Other provinces individual taxes may be higher or lower by a point or two that the 8% in Ontario. We have no municipal or county levied taxes for retail sales. Property taxes are high in Toronto, but not out of line for any major North American city. Smaller cities and towns tax far less. For example, I pay as much property tax on a 650 sq. ft. condo as my parents do on a large ranch style home on a 1/4 acre lot in a small Ontario city.

Official bilingualism — This is what most of the taxes pay for.

No. It eats up a lot but nowhere near the largest chunk. Health Care (socialized), debt servicing and Aboriginal Affairs eat up more. Not good, but again the article is innacurate.

Canada is officially bilingual and that means everything must be in French and English. Everything. It's the law.

Yes, we are a bilingual nation, but the level of services and depth of committment is determined by the individual province. Retail packaging must be English/French with the exception of really ethnic foods, etc. Quebec is another matter, and is the only place where "language police" exists. They are a pain but the province is majority French speaking and the willingness to bend to these often silly demands has a history going back to the conquest of New France by the British in 1759.

The U.S. has its issues with African Americans and Canada has its issues with French Canadians. Affirmative action in the name of official bilingualism has resulted in a great deal of conflict.

Great deal of conflict? I'm 42 and don't recall any language riots causing major urban centers to burn and drive affluent citizens out of town abandoning the inner cities to the slumlords. A lot of noses out of joint and yes, difficulty getting a good job in the civil service if you're English only, but that's about it frankly.

Employment — If you are English-speaking in Canada, it's difficult to find a job.

Utter Barbara Streisand. In the civil service yes, but outside of Quebec (an majority French speaking province) this dog don't hunt.

Salaries are much lower than in the U.S. When we moved to the U.S., my husband almost tripled his salary.

In some professions this is no doubt true, and mortgage interest deductability would be nice (we don't have it) but in the main earnings are similar outside of some professions like medicine (where the U.S. is much higher).

Our son, who has a learning disability, is getting the best education ever in an American public school.

This person loves the public school system. Alarm bells. Our is probably not much better, but from what I regularly read here it's not any worse on the whole.

Meanwhile, it is the norm for Canadian schools to have at least 40 kids per class — that is, if the teachers are not on strike.

Well, I can't speak for British Columbia (our "left coast"...mired in labour strife regularly) but I have numerous friends who teach high school in central Toronto and class sizes are in the 25-35 range...about the same it was when I was in high school in the 1970's. To be sure, teacher's unions are nightmares wherever you encounter them.

Hospitals are miserable. There are long waiting lists for the most basic treatments and operations.

While our Health Care system is strained it's far from on the verge of collapse. Recently, and I'll spare everyone the details, I needed some outpatient surgery for an unpleasant but in no way life threatening issue. My specialist saw me the same day I consulted my family GP and I had the surgery the next day at aprivately run (but taxpayer paid for) outpatient clinic. I'm nobody with any special connections except a long term relationship with my GP. Is the U.S. system better? I'd say yes without question, and I have several family members who are American doctors. That said, it's a give and take thing with most Canucks.

In Canada, there is one system of health care for everyone — except the elite or government bureaucrats, who go to the U.S. and pay for decent health care.

We absolutely should allow private medical delivery to bleed the excees off the public system if one can afford it but we stubbornly don't, on this I'm consistant. Still it's not just the "elites" that can go to the States. My Dad, in no way an elite (except to me that is) recently had an MRI in Michigan because he didn't want to have to wait the few months it would have taken here. His life was not in danger, BTW, it was just to check for complications to an event that he had that passed.

The last bit about Chretien and the Libs rings true, but the political right shot itself in the foot in the 1990's...we'll see if things change with the new unitied Conservative party. That said, I recall the Dems holding control of congress for a lot more than 10 years over the past century. Corrections welcome if I'm wrong.

Look, my country is NOT utopia, but then nothing is. It's got too much Euro baggage in it's history and we try too often to be all things to all people here when the government should stop the social engineering and just keep the lights on and the armories full. Maybe we'll learn, I don't know. But the author sounds like someone to me who will be making an endless list of complaints and whines about her adopted nation in a few years just like she does today about Canuckistan.

There's a lot I don't like about Canada and the way it's run but this article is innacurate, exaggerated and often plain wrong. Enjoy this person...I doubt you've heard the last of her.

36 posted on 12/12/2003 10:46:54 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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The poster must be from the East. I feel sorry for you. :)

I'm Western Canadian, so I don't have to deal with the bilingual crap too much. I voted against the Charlotten Accords which was an attempt to bribe Quebec not to leave Canada. If they want to leave, leave, but I'm not paying you to stay. My bigger beef with our politicians is that THEY made the French thing an issue. It could have simmered away as people got bored with the separatists, but NOOO, the Tories and the Liberals had to constantly throw it in our face.

Canadians and Americans assume a lot of things about our tax systems. Both systems are good and bad for various reasons. One thing that annoys me is that gas tax in Canada gets into general revenue. It does NOT largely get spent on roads. But Canada also has larger exemptions than the US. I know because I did my wife's taxes. She is an American living in Canada with me.

I live in Victoria and its one of the most beautiful places on earth.

The biggest problems we have compared to America isn't taxes.

The first one is healthcare. America has problems too. But Canada refuses to acknowledge that the system is unsustainable. As the population ages we will likely spend 100% of tax revenue on healthcare. Trying to suggest that perhaps the patient should pay a portion of the cost (say 10% of a 100,000 procedure) gets thrown back in your face as anti-Canadian.

Our other problem is we are run as a socialist regime. The CRTC (TV regulation branch of the government) had the police confiscating satellite dishes? Why? Because they picked up 100% US content. Canada wants to control how much US content we watch on TV.

We have a lot of socialists. Too many. Even Christians who profess to believe in socialism. Which is not rational if they knew the tenents of that belief.

Really nothing can be done to change how things are here. Canadians are not known to take action. Separation is unlikely. But it could be worse. We could be France.
41 posted on 12/12/2003 11:01:52 AM PST by Dunedain
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Bilingualism:

After a certain level in any Federal dept (military, civil service,...) there is a legal requirement for being bilingual. Since a frenchman is much more likely to speak English than the other way around, the result is that in a lot of departments, some 70% and more of the senior managers,commanders are french.

Health Care:

They have a top notch (equipment, personnel) Defense Dept. hospital in Ottawa - the catch: only senior military, civil servants, and politicians are allowed in! Shades of the Soviet Union.

Also, the universal access - oh yeah, looks good on paper, but you can die on the waiting list for service and the equipment is simply not there. To get to the front of the line, it's who you know.

It's been calculated that this taxpayer health care comes out to about $3000CDN per capita. You can get a lot of private insurance coverage for this amount in the US. So this health care is a false sacred cow.

46 posted on 12/12/2003 11:07:49 AM PST by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's 'free'- PJ O'Rourke
55 posted on 12/12/2003 11:19:55 AM PST by hosepipe
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"I find it really very difficult to fathom"


60 posted on 12/12/2003 11:25:52 AM PST by kanawa (48*26'06.6" 83*30'00.2")
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Sounds like what Fat Willy & The Thing had planned for the US.
89 posted on 12/12/2003 2:50:13 PM PST by vladog
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