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Posted on 12/12/2003 5:58:00 AM PST by Valin

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1 posted on 12/12/2003 5:58:01 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin; RiflemanSharpe; Lazamataz; proud American in Canada; Congressman Billybob; backhoe; ...
If you want to be on or off this CFR-ping list let me know.
2 posted on 12/12/2003 6:01:56 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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Is Bush's signing of CFR more palatable because he indicated that the courts should review some of the more onerous provisions in the law?

I say NO. This is called passing the buck.

I suspect that he and Congress knew the law would stand up to the courts and Bush was just in CYA mode.
3 posted on 12/12/2003 6:02:44 AM PST by Guillermo (Shoot me if you ever see me on a Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson or Scott Peterson thread)
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To: Valin
In the end, a narrow majority of five Supreme Court justices was swayed by the argument that most issue ads broadcast near an election are shams.

Great, the Supreme Court of the United States thinks political speech around election time is a "sham".

4 posted on 12/12/2003 6:31:45 AM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: Guillermo
He tried to get "cute". This is why we need to put pressure on congress to recind this law.
Remember 04 IS an election year. There is no better time to put pressure on your local representative to get rid of this abortion. It's stupid and unenforceable, and contray to what 5 members of the ussc says unconstitutional.
Money for better or worse WILL find it's way into the system.
5 posted on 12/12/2003 6:38:33 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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I'm not convinced Bush didn't want it all along.

After all, actions are louder than words.
6 posted on 12/12/2003 6:40:38 AM PST by Guillermo (George W. Bush is a Small Government Conservative)
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To: Valin
Norman Ornstein is now, and always has been, a shill for the leftists. He has no more interest in the Constitution than a majority of the Justices in the McConnell case. It is a minor impediment to be jumped over, and to wipe your feet on as you pass.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "In Praise of Bigotry," discussion thread. (ChronWatch used a longer title than my original.)

7 posted on 12/12/2003 6:48:38 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Guillermo
Is Bush's signing of CFR more palatable because he indicated that the courts should review some of the more onerous provisions in the law? I say NO. This is called passing the buck.

Not to mention, he has since applauded the fact that it has been upheld.

8 posted on 12/12/2003 6:50:39 AM PST by Protagoras (Vote Republican, we're not as bad as the other guys.)
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It's amazing to see all the people on here who ascribe zero responsibility for this horrible law to Bush.

He SIGNED it. If he signed it, that means he WANTED it.
9 posted on 12/12/2003 6:53:43 AM PST by Guillermo (George W. Bush is a Small Government Conservative)
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To: Valin
In the end, a narrow majority of five Supreme Court justices was swayed by the argument that most issue ads broadcast near an election are shams.

Thus a SCOTUS majority and Congress have made a wholly subjective judgment about the quality of someone else's speech about fundamental political matters, found it wanting, and declared it forbidden. Worse, the judgment is prospective and arbitrary because it it characterizes all such speech as "sham" without ever bothering to hear it.

This is beyond appalling.

10 posted on 12/12/2003 6:58:40 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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Good morning! Thanks for the new thread, Valin.

Remember everyone, the motto is: WWTPD? (What would Thomas Paine do). ;) (by the way, I don't mean to belittle faith!).

Okay, I can't be around much today, but after this, I'm going to send Rush the letter I wrote yesterday to Tom Tancredo, and the letter I just sent to Sen. McConnell (I attached a copy of yesterday's letter to Sen. McConnell).

Here it is:

Dear Senator McConnell:

I would like to thank you for trying to protect the First Amendment rights of Americans. Your efforts are appreciated and the fact that those efforts did not result in ultimate victory in the Supreme Court has left thousands of people across the country in shock.

I belong to a grassroots conservative organization, FreeRepublic.com and we are organizing a movement to have the campaign finance reform law repealed immediately. Our goal is to have someone present a bill on the first day that Congress is in session next January.

Yesterday, I sent a letter to Representative Tom Tancredo; as a former resident of Denver, I knew of his solid conservative values. Whether or not he would be the best person to initiate this bill, whether or not it should be co-sponsored, I do not know.

I’ve attached a copy of this letter; I also sent it to Mike Rosen, of KOA radio in Denver, and I’m pleased to say that he actually responded to me and indicated that he thinks a repeal, and promoting such a repeal on his show, is a “great idea.”

I’m prepared to send similar letters to talk radio hosts across the country, including, of course, Rush Limbaugh, who has opposed CFR from the beginning.

I hope you will be in touch with Representative Tancredo and others who will back this idea, and that you can help us organize something to immediately repeal this outrageous assault on the most fundamental freedom, the one that guarantees all others.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
11 posted on 12/12/2003 6:58:47 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Valin
"Remember 04 IS an election year. There is no better time to put pressure on your local representative to get rid of this abortion. It's stupid and unenforceable, and contray to what 5 members of the ussc says unconstitutional."

Well said... and as I said yesterday, I think the "quo" should come before the "quid" this time.
12 posted on 12/12/2003 7:00:44 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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"Not to mention, he has since applauded the fact that it has been upheld."

I heard that--I haven't seen the article, I just saw some posts about it--but that's outrageous.
13 posted on 12/12/2003 7:01:56 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Guillermo
They wouldn't blame him for ANYTHING at all, no matter what.

The only thing that would even make them raise their eyebrows would be the discovery that he was getting BJs in the Oval office. They would still defend him, but they would raise their eyebrows while they did it.

14 posted on 12/12/2003 7:02:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Vote Republican, we're not as bad as the other guys.)
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To: proud American in Canada
His trusted employees have been applauding the decision. It was in the papers the day after the decision.
15 posted on 12/12/2003 7:05:11 AM PST by Protagoras (Vote Republican, we're not as bad as the other guys.)
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To: Kevin Curry
This is beyond appalling.

But,,,,,,The Republicans and GWB are not responsible, they were victims not perpetrators. < /sarcasm>

It was those bad ole Dems and justices.

16 posted on 12/12/2003 7:08:43 AM PST by Protagoras (Vote Republican, we're not as bad as the other guys.)
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To: Kevin Curry
This is beyond appalling!

Agree. So get out there and do something about it.
Letters!(e-mails are good but actual letters are better)

If congress gets hit with 1,000s of letters (trust me) they WILL pay attention, particularly in an election year.

Remember for a politician the most important thing is getting relected, we need to use this.
17 posted on 12/12/2003 7:13:46 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: proud American in Canada
I'll keep it going as long as there appears to be interest in it, and it doesn't degenerate into a Bush-bashing party.
As For better or worse George is my guy.
While this is important it pales in importance to the war on terror.
18 posted on 12/12/2003 7:18:44 AM PST by Valin (We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give.)
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To: Valin
Two suggestions: 1, label the day this thread is for in the title. 2, you and I should work together on the 'splash screen', the initial message in the thread.
19 posted on 12/12/2003 7:31:48 AM PST by Lazamataz ("With an Iron Fist, We Will Lead Humanity to Happiness." - Translation of sign at Solovki Gulag)
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To: Valin
This is why we need to put pressure on congress to recind this law. Yes, How do we do this? we need an all out campaign from a grass from a grass roots level. I am serious - how do we do this> I will help. This business fills me with fear.
20 posted on 12/12/2003 8:01:12 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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