Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party

vanity ^ | 12/17/03 | Destro

[Destro]

In a discussion on this thread Tom Ridge's Immigration Remarks Draw Fire a post regarding the conservative angst about the recent campaign finance reform that Bush signed into law and that the Supreme Court approved (and the approval was praised by the White House), on the heals of the Medicare entitlement enacted under a Republican controlled government the following was posted:

I'm hearing Rush now. He claims the republicans have ONLY one party to go to. He has put this issue squarely on the problem. We need to vote outside of this corrupt party apparatus.

12 posted on 12/11/2003 12:39:52 PM EST by Digger

I also heard this on Rush and my blood boiled. Rush said conservatives have no place else to go and thus will continue to vote as a block to the Republicans.....and then it hit me. That is exactly what we conservatives lament about Blacks and the Democratic party. Black Democrats who vote straight Democratic and are rewarded by being ignored.

In other words, Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party!!!

I urge the same solution to Republican conservatives that Black conservatives offer to Black Democrats. QUIT! Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes. If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

I did not change. My party did. I thank God Ronald Reagan is unable to comprehend what is happening to the party he saved.

[m18436572]

Likewise we should all move away from our homes because we don't appreciate the tacky new paint job on the new neighbors house.
Whatever.

[labard1]

In addition to supporting the Republican Party, regardless of their conservative or libertarian leanings, they should all support Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute. He does a wonderful job in turning out people to support all our views.

[WOSG]

wrong! Electoral college? Guys in backroom handpick candidates on both sides for us?

In the general election, it is still basically getting the majority of the votes. but you raise a point: The key to power is BEING THE GUY IN THE BACKROOM!

In party politics that means being active in the primaries and the primary selection system.

But we only deserve to win if we WORK. So far, few of us are willing to do the hard work or smart work necessary to win.

I couldnt agree more. That is why I am running for precicty chair. If you dont like the Republican party, fight the beast from within. The majority of Republican activists are strong conservatives. We can control the primaries and the selection of candidates if we do things right. That is why I am running for precinct chair, to help change some of that.

[WOSG]

"In addition to supporting the Republican Party, regardless of their conservative or libertarian leanings, they should all support Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute. He does a wonderful job in turning out people to support all our views."

You are right about that... a good resource for figuring how to be an EFFECTIVE conservative:

http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/04RESOURCES/resources.htm
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/04RESOURCES/Speeches.htm

[WOSG]

"I'm still pretty surprised you think liberals and "moderates" make up the GOP base. I was thinking/hoping the conservos were still in control. The question would make for a good FR poll."

Actually we are in control of the Republican party, in that Conservatives are the majority of the GOP and also most elected Republican officials (except in the NE) are conservatives. Also, look at any platform and its a 'right-wing' platform. *however*, you have a situation where the RINOs are the *swing* legislators in the Congress etc. So who is in 'control' the 70% of the House Republicans that are conservatives (who by themselves cant pass anything) or the 30% that are swing-vote moderates?

[Consort]

President H. W. Bush lost reelection because of President H. W. Bush. Just like algore lost 2000 because of algore.

I disagree, as well. I use the axiom: "It's the voters, stupid." because it is the voters. If I understand it correctly, voters elect people who appoint electors to the Electoral College. In some states, the Electors are voted directly by the people and are not appointed (it's the voters...). The most popular votes in the states determines the electors, I believe (it's the voters...). If no one gets a majority of Electoral Votes, the US House selects the President, and the House member are voted into office (it's the voters....).

[nickcarraway]

There is one way to make sure this doesn't happened: get onvolved. Join the local central committee, other comittees, whatever you can.

[WOSG]

I found this gem in another thread:

Folks, forget the polls! If the people of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, etc. had any moxie, they would go and vote in the Democrat caucus or primaries and write in GW Bush! We must not lay back or ease off for one second. This upcoming election is not only about GW Bush! It is about the future of the United States, our freedom, our religion, our security. our way of life, etc. The Democrat Party must not only be defeated, it most be totally destroyed as a viable political force at the ballot box. The entire secular, Godless Democrat Party is guilty of treason against the USA! Folks, stand ready to put money, energy, time and effort into this cause that will sustain America from its internal enemies, the current Democrat Party!

Now, here's a good question - is NOW a good time, when we have the Rat cornered, when we have him in our sights, and are ready to send him to political oblivion, is NOW a good time to abandon the fight to a 3rd party? Nope. Not now. Not ever.

[inchworm]

I will in no way be voting for Bush again. This administration is walking all over the Republican philosophy, and conservative philosophy, and it only appears to be getting worse. By me voting for him I'm telling him that's it's:
OK to give illegals amnesty,
OK to support affirmative action,
OK to muzzle free speach for elections,
OK to tear down anti-sodomy laws.
OK to explosively grow entitlements,
Hell, Bush might as well be Sandra Day O'Connor. Just like the core principals of economics, if somethings outrageously high priced and you still buy it, then your essentially telling that producer that the price is worth it. Well I tell you that when it comes to Bush, I aint buying it any more. We are obviously in the day where Republican politics are no longer Republican Philosophy.
We need a new party because i aint voting for the old one. It's BS!!!

[inchworm]

"our freedom, our religion, our security. our way of life, etc."

Wake up! Everything you mention here is willingly being eroded by Bush. I'm pissed and I think a lot of other people are too now.

[looscnnn]

First, I will repeat one of my previous posts. Moving to another party does not equate to voting for Dems or any independant candidate. A lot of those that are on this site are independant and voted Republican in the last election. This point seems to be over looked. Also, there are a few that are Republican and most likely stay Repub., but will not vote for Bush. You also equated the statement "no because there is no loss in the number of them." to mean elected conservatives, I never said anything about anyone being elected. Surely you do not equate a conservative leaving the GOP as being an elected person leaving the party? The only way you have a loss in the number of conservatives is for them to become a liberal or moderate. This is simple math (eg. 5-0=5 vs. 5-3=2).

How is conservatives leaving the GOP hurting the cause? The only cause that is hurt is GOP cause. If conservatives move to a different party, they just say the same thing from a different party. That is like employees leaving the golden arches for BK, they still say "would you like fries with that", but say "Welcome to BK" instead of "Welcome to McD".

We can be united in a party that holds beliefs that we do. Granted that it will take work for it to be a serious contender, but if enough move to the party that work would be about the same as what it would take to take the GOP back.

The only time the GOP panders to the conservative base is to get the nomination, after that the only ones they care about are the middle/left. That point was brought up on Sean Hannity's radio show today.

You talk about educating sheeple, but there are some on this thread & website who are "sheeple" to the GOP (I hate to say it, but you are starting to sound one yourself). I thought that Freepers are supposed to be clear minded, free thinking conservatives.

One last thing; if there is enough of us in a party, we are a coalition that does have influence in winning elections. That coalition just happens to be in a party other that the GOP or Dem. One penny on your head will not hurt you, 10,000 pennies on your head will crush you. Remember, power is in the numbers.

[looscnnn]

You didn't get the point, he lost because he turned off the voter. Like you said it is the voters that matter and a lot of them just did not vote, along with some that voted for Perot.

[Capitalism2003]

"The way to move right is to win elections, to sell our policies to voters at every opportunity, and to convince a solid majority of voters of our views. Schism is not the way to a majority in single member districts."

house of representatives...senate...white house...majority of governorships...SPENDING is exploding across the country..

We have power. There is no excuse for Bush to be increasing NON defense spending 9% a year as he has been doing...

[arete]

There is no excuse for Bush to be increasing NON defense spending 9% a year as he has been doing...

Sure there is. He's doing what all politician do -- trying like hell to buy votes by digging us deeper and deeper into debt. Too many think that GW is a conservative. He isn't and never has been.

Richard W.

[labard1]

I agree. But I also don't want foreign policy and defense in Dim hands, which would be the result if we left the GOP. Every conservative or libertarian who votes for a third party increases the prospect of a win by the Dims, who are close to the embodiment of evil in my book.

If Republicans in Congress were gross overspenders in this Congress (and they were), the better course is to try to influence them within the party. Try influencing Dims like Dean, Gephart, Clinton, Sharpton, Schumer, Kennedy, etc. That's a truly hopeless cause.

Doctrinal purity is great if you can get an electoral majority to vote with you. Otherwise it is a fantasy.

[Consort]

You didn't get the point, he lost because he turned off the voter. Like you said it is the voters that matter and a lot of them just did not vote, along with some that voted for Perot.

You made my point. The one who voted for Clinton, and the ones who voted for Perot, and the ones who stayed home, and the ones who voted for someone else...all of them helped to elect Clinton. The voters should have reelected Bush whether he liked it or not, and whether they liked it or not. History proved that...and it ain't over yet. That's the point. It's the voters.

[WOSG]

"Moving to another party does not equate to voting for Dems or any independant candidate." ... I never said that, I said it equates to making oneself irrelevent wrt electoral politics.

What state are you in?

Who is the worst 3 elected officials in your state?
What party are they in?

Who are the best 3 elected officials in your state?
What party are they in?

[WOSG]

"If Republicans in Congress were gross overspenders in this Congress (and they were), the better course is to try to influence them within the party."

Dana Rorhbacher was on Fox News tonight complaining about overspending .... I switch to CSPAN-2 and some Liberal (I'm assuming Democrats) state reps at a convention complain to Rumsfeld in a Q&A that WE ARE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH and that defense spending (a mere 20% of total Govt Federal spending and a mere 3% of GDP) is crowding out needed funded for 'welfare' spending (yes, one liberal questioner used that term).

The mind BOGGLES at the chasm between the liberals and what freepers expect out of govt ...

[Destro]

All you do is make excuses, WOSG. Who wants to belong to a party that requires excuses in such quantity?

[Destro]

The anti-sodomy laws were thrown out by the Supreme Court and not under any Bush sponsored laws-fair is fair. So don't blame him on that one.