[Consort]

You didn't get the point, he lost because he turned off the voter. Like you said it is the voters that matter and a lot of them just did not vote, along with some that voted for Perot.

You made my point. The one who voted for Clinton, and the ones who voted for Perot, and the ones who stayed home, and the ones who voted for someone else...all of them helped to elect Clinton. The voters should have reelected Bush whether he liked it or not, and whether they liked it or not. History proved that...and it ain't over yet. That's the point. It's the voters.

[looscnnn]

So those people should have been good little "sheeple" and followed lock step, kinda sounds like the Dems and blacks. Which is exactly what this discussion was originally about.

Your right that it's the voters, but you fail to see that no one has to vote for anyone. Those that choose not to vote or to vote another way realize the possiblities of the results of their actions and are willing to take that chance. You are expecting that all conservatives blindly follow orders (like Dems do with blacks) and vote the way you want. Campaigning is about earning the peoples votes, let me repeat...EARNING the peoples votes. The Dems and the GOP are expecting you to vote their party because you always have and always will. That is not earning the vote. Some conservatives are tired of being taken for granted and are voiceing that frustration, some are taken steps to change party affiliation to take their membership dues to a group that they feel will earn and respect their vote. They may still vote Republican, they may vote independant, they may even vote Democrat, it all depends on the which candidate EARNS their vote.