Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party

vanity ^ | 12/17/03 | Destro

[Destro]

In a discussion on this thread Tom Ridge's Immigration Remarks Draw Fire a post regarding the conservative angst about the recent campaign finance reform that Bush signed into law and that the Supreme Court approved (and the approval was praised by the White House), on the heals of the Medicare entitlement enacted under a Republican controlled government the following was posted:

I'm hearing Rush now. He claims the republicans have ONLY one party to go to. He has put this issue squarely on the problem. We need to vote outside of this corrupt party apparatus.

12 posted on 12/11/2003 12:39:52 PM EST by Digger

I also heard this on Rush and my blood boiled. Rush said conservatives have no place else to go and thus will continue to vote as a block to the Republicans.....and then it hit me. That is exactly what we conservatives lament about Blacks and the Democratic party. Black Democrats who vote straight Democratic and are rewarded by being ignored.

In other words, Conservatives are now the "Blacks" of the Republican Party!!!

I urge the same solution to Republican conservatives that Black conservatives offer to Black Democrats. QUIT! Become independents and let the parties fight for our votes. If we can't take the GOP back we should leave the GOP.

I did not change. My party did. I thank God Ronald Reagan is unable to comprehend what is happening to the party he saved.

[Destro]

Anyone who quotes from "Zoolander" is OK with me.

[WOSG]

If there's a Dean Presidency nobody but GWB 'allowed' it.

What a silly statement - if there is a Dean Presidency, it will be because the VOTERS "allowed" it.

I'm getting pretty sick of people telling me how I 'have' to vote for Bush or the alternative will be even worse. It's only the truth - it wont kill you. Dean will be worse than Bush. Do you get sick and tired of being told it will rain on rainy days?

Face it Dane. Bush is a disaster for the Conservative movement. He's increased the size and scope of the Federal government more than any President since LBJ. This is an exagerration ... Nixon was far less conservative domestically than G W Bush, and his spending increases were as bad (not to mention wage/price controls, implementing AA, creating the EPA, etc.). And other than spending, Bush's father was more liberal on domestic policy. This doesnt exempt GWB from blame for particular areas where he's gone lib'rul on us, but let's have perspective that is historically based, not hysterically based.

[WOSG]

"Bizarrely, this strategy gives the existing Republican Party good reason to want to keep the Democratic Party alive and well enough to at least appear to be a credible threat."

Well, there is this 2-party cycle we seem to go through:

1. Be on the outside and being principled and powerless.
2. Hunger for power, get a candidate who can win and dont mind the lack of principles.
3. Get into power, implement programs.
4. Deepen power with corrupt methods of currying favor.
5. Grow complacent and make increasing demands on elected
officials that voters dont like. Splinter off, fracture.
6. Lose power due to getting disconnected with voters, go to 1.

The majority party seems to take things to a point where enough voters get off and decide they want to go the other way.

The good/bad news is the socialists/democrats have so much power in the press and the courts that people just HAVE to vote Republican just to balance THAT.

[Destro]

I am glad you did not forget. The Bush Admin proposal for paying illegal Mexicans Social Security while they live in Mexico made me blackout for a second or two.

[Destro]

think the title and the tone of the article is repulsive. If you don't like the GOP get the heck out.

I am getting the heck out. Hasta La vista, GOP. Like hell I will belong to a party that wants to legalize illegal Mexican aliens (criminals) and pay them social security on top. That fact I found repulsive. Enough.

[Destro]

I chuckle happily when I see the Greens in a temper screeching that they won't vote for the Dems because they "abandoned their liberal base".... the more divided the left is, the more power the right has. These Greens know that but are outraged that they aren't pandered to more by the Democrat Party. It's frustrating to same the same counter-productive tantrum over here on the right... conservatives are supposed to be a bit smarter than this.

And for what? Because the GOP leadership may throw a conservative a bone on occasion? A lean bone too.

God kept the Israelites in the Sinai a long time for worshiping a golden calf. The argument that the Holy Land was in the meantime occupied by pagans fell on God's deaf ears.

[Lurker]

You need to consult a dictionary to learn the meaning of the words 'cause' and 'effect'.

L

[Destro]

But President Lincoln, you can't fire General Burnside! Who will we get that is better?

[Destro]

I forgot to mention Taiwan! That the President said what he said while the Red Chinese looked on made it hard to swallow.

[Destro]

I'm getting pretty sick of people telling me how I 'have' to vote for Bush or the alternative will be even worse.

Is that what the Dems say to their Black core voters?

[tacticalogic]

The majority party seems to take things to a point where enough voters get off and decide they want to go the other way.

At that point, they seem to want to point at the opposing party and say "You better not leave us. If you do, look what you'll end up with!". It doesn't seem to work, and they leave anyway. Might've been better of to stop and listen to them.

[WOSG]

Ah, my comment was directed at the fact that parties pander to their *core* voters at the expense of the swing voters and *that* tends to make them lose the 'majority'.

Here we have a different situation - pandering not to the core, but to the 'center' to win the general election, but there is an analogy ... Clintonism won the 1996 election with triangulation, but enough of the leftists were unhappy they abandoned the democrats and went green in 2000. even though gore ran left, nader ran lefter - end result : President Bush. If Bush continues to annoy conservatives so much there is a 4% hard-right vote that refuses to vote Republican in say 2008, we may yet see President Hillary.

The worm turns.

[tacticalogic]

Here we have a different situation - pandering not to the core, but to the 'center'

Absent some clarification, quite possible a distinction without a difference.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Your little vanity is so "John and Yoko".

Instead of "Destro", you should callk yourself "Retro".

Woman is the Nigger of the World
John Lennon


Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won’t be slave, we say that she don’t love us
If she’s real, we say she’s trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Ah yeah...better screem about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother then
We tell her home is the only place she would be
Then we complain that she’s too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yeah (think about it)

We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she’s young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yes she is...if you belive me, you better screem about it.

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance

[tacticalogic]

If Bush continues to annoy conservatives so much there is a 4% hard-right vote that refuses to vote Republican in say 2008, we may yet see President Hillary.

If he doesn't believe they'll really leave, what incentive does he have to want to stop?

[Tamzee]

And for what? Because the GOP leadership may throw a conservative a bone on occasion? A lean bone too.

The fastest way to make the GOP ignore the most ideological conservatives is for those voters to be completely unreliable. The GOP will pander to the center even more, leaving you voiceless in your fringe party and suffering even more extreme movement of our country to the left.

Many people in this thread have tried to discuss this problem with you but you're determined to take a road that splits the coalition of right-leaning voters just so you can travel your own powerless path. So be it. I hope our Constitution Party friends will have the maturity to not complain when they become unhappy with President Dean's actions.

[Tamzee]

If he doesn't believe they'll really leave, what incentive does he have to want to stop?

If Bush believes the right-wing will bolt at any given moment, what incentive does he have to even try to keep us happy? We bolted the GOP in 1992 and the country went further left, not right.

The votes in the center are worth more during an election anyways, each vote there also takes one away from the Democrats. Votes on the fringe aren't as valuable because they only steal votes from third parties that posed no threat.

[MissAmericanPie]

During my call this morning to the White House comment line, I brought up this very subject with the gentleman that answered my call.

I informed him that it was a very bad mistake to sneer in the face of conservatives and brag that we have no where else to go, and informed him that we are not the plantation dwelling types. We can't even get along with each other, much less be herded by a turncoat political party.

I don't know anyone out of my friends, family, co-workers that are going to vote for Bush again. Domestically he is Chernoble. I also called my Senator's office and asked why they are not doing a better job of containing the damage Bush is doing and asked what in the world the Republican Party was thinking when they ran him for office.

All I talked to was a secretary, but she let me know that we are on the same page.

[tacticalogic]

If Bush believes the right-wing will bolt at any given moment, what incentive does he have to even try to keep us happy?

I'll answer yours if you'll answer mine.