Vanity: An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

12-10-03 | Vanity

[ambrose]

Vanity:

An Open Message to the Republican Party Cheerleaders on this Forum...

[Dane]

Another thing, you say that you home school. Do you really think that Dean is going to break away from the NEA, in a national campaign.

Here's what happened during Dean's reign in Vermont.

MONTPELIER, SEP 7 (ZENIT).- Last September 1, homeschooling mother Karen Maple appeared in the Vermont circuit court without bringing her 15-year-old son Trevor, whom the school district has diagnosed as learning disabled. As a result, she has been placed in jail for contempt of court without bail. The story began very typically. Seventh-grader Trevor was bored at school, displayed a short attention span, and read at a second grade level. Academic problems escalated into social problems. He even went to live with his grandparents to give another school system a try, but to no avail.

[Mo1]

lol...I wish I could morph Dean and Bush into one somehow

I'll ship Dean thank you .. I'm not up for the UN controling the US

[BigSkyFreeper]

If anyone should be worried it's the Democratic party and their legions of kook donors. The signing of this made it 10 times harder to match dollar for dollar what Bush has amassed and continues to amass in his campaign war chest. Too bad the DNC didn't dump The Punk sooner, or they'd be money ahead by now.

If you want to vote Democrat fine. I'm sticking with the party, and keeping Bush in there, and front loading him with two Republican senators in congress instead of one. He has an agenda and if we get the right people in there for him, he can run with his more Conservative agenda instead of a slightly-left-of-moderate agenda.

The Democrats think they got a good deal out of it, they're wrong. They got snookered again, by Bush and Rove as usual.

Bush may look like he's bending over for the Democrats. Far from it. Bush is surrounded by far right and conservatives in his cabinet. Just wait when the Republican's gain strength in the Congress. Bush will unveil his deep rooted Conservative agenda, and maybe, just maybe, we'll start seeing Conservative judicial nominees getting placed on the bench.

[Torie]

You are right. The middle class pays a lower percentage of their income in taxes, than either the rich or the poor. The poor get soaked with FICA, sales, and sin taxes. The rich only pay a bit more because of progressive taxation, but not that much more (particularly if they follow the Torie plan), unless they are making in excess of say 300 to 400K a year.

[Texasforever]

Yeah but I predicted the SC would overturn the 60 day ad ban. Man is my face red.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

OBVIOUSLY you are not middle class or you would know what you are talking about!

Honestly, research your agenda a bit more often before you insert your boot between yer gums!

[Born in a Rage]

I'm definitely conservative (with a libertarian bent to me on some issues). Liberal, socialist, communist ideas scare me to death. What I think is positive about Dean is the fiscal, the fact that he doesn't go for vouchers/federal government in education, the fact that he backed Bush regarding terrorists not being POW's, he's hard on illegals - I mean we've been bellyaching about this stuff for years. What I don't like are the things like MO1 pointed out, a requirement to join a union, cowtowing to internationalism, etc.

That doesn't mean that there aren't things that I like about Bush. I'll save that for another thread at this point though.

[Texasforever]

Honestly, research your agenda a bit more often before you insert your boot between yer gums!

that is a bit vague. Was it the program utilization or the taxes?

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Both!

[hellinahandcart]

Define codified for us if you will. Is this some new disingenuous term of yours?

You've heard of dictionary.com, haven't you? You need to bookmark it.

And watch who you call "disingenuous", PSYCHO.

(You don't mind if I call you PSYCHO, do you? It's fine with me if you call me Hell. :P)

[Born in a Rage]

Here are some of the things that the Vermont NEA didn't like about him:

"As an elected official in Vermont in the 1980s, Howard Dean worked tirelessly for State funding to improve teacher salaries at a time those salaries were shamefully low, and he was our champion. As Governor in the 1990s, Howard Dean made a name for himself as a fiscal conservative, limiting public spending generally, including for public schools. We opposed him when he did that.

Vermont-NEA had real disagreements with Governor Dean, especially during his early terms, and usually over finances. The most serious difference was over a legislative proposal in 1993-94 for a statewide teachers’ contract. Governor Dean, true to his fiscally conservative nature, supported the concept. Vermont-NEA fought it, successfully. We criticized Governor Dean for his continued underfunding of the Teachers’ Retirement System, and for his failure in 1995 to reappoint the pro-labor chair of the Vermont Labor Relations Board."

As far as Karen Maple - I know all about the case - that had to do with CPS not the governor.

[MissAmericanPie]

What the blue hell is going on in this country? Globalization and totalitarianism. And both parties are pushing that agenda hard and fast and daring us to revolt because they know it won't happen. Certainly not on any kind of scale they have to worry about.

No one wants to face or acknowledge the game going on and we are in the last inning. All they have to do is keep the sheep stampeding from one treasonous party to the other, while both rip at our constitution and our sovereignty with both hands until it's gone. And both parties are increasing the speed and the boldness with which they are doing it.

They are feeling so comfortable that they no longer even worry about hiding it. Jay Rockerfeller said it, "We are glad our agenda is out in the open, a decade ago people wouldn't have accepted it." We are in what the bible refers to as "the end times". All you can do is endure.

[nopardons]

Dean, look at his record in Vermont, for crying out loud(!)is NOT a fiscal conservative at all. He HAD TO balance that budget...it's mandated. He wants to recind ALL of Bush's tax cuts and raise taxes to boot.

Talk is cheap, Dean has contradicted himself, at every turn, on every thing, and you actually " believe " bits & pieces of things you think you've you've heard him say ? You truly believe that Howard Dean, of all people, would DO anything at all about the borders? THINK AGAIN !

President Bush won't fulfill everyone's wish about everything; no president can or will. Do I agree with everything he's said and done ? No! But then, I also know what he has done, promises to do and have, evidently, paid far more attention to Dean and what he's done and said, than you have AND find him to be a smarmy, frightening,contemptable, raving nutter. You'd best do more reseach on the man, before you admit, again, to think that he has even one " good " point.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

PSYCHO is my old SF nickname given to me by my unit bretheren. (1970, RVN) Be careful how you use it!

[hellinahandcart]

Yeah but I predicted the SC would overturn the 60 day ad ban. Man is my face red.

Mine's white. I've moved from humiliation to shock.

I was also sure it would be overturned. You used to be able to count on a blatantly UNconstitutional ruling or piece of legislation being overturned, even if you had to put up with the occasional extra-constitutional remedy.

Not anymore.

[Dane]

that had to do with CPS not the governor

And who does CPS report to, the Governor and in Karen Maple's case, that Governor was Dean.

[Born in a Rage]

Also, the homeschooling lawa there are pretty lax. Only a letter of intent is required and a test or portfolio evaluation at the end of the year. No other recordkeeping whatsoever....

[Texasforever]

What specifically was I incorrect about? Is it not true that the "middle-class" is not the greatest percentage of

Social Security recipients

Mortgage interest deductions

Child tax credit filers

Student loan consumers

FHA loan holders?

Is it not a fact that most "middle class' Americans with children pay no federal income taxes or at the most 10% of a post deduction income of less than 20k per year? I think you have your own definition of just what a "government program" is and it doesn't include those that you receive.

[Dane]

Also, the homeschooling lawa there are pretty lax

Tell that to Karen Maple.

[Mo1]

Here are some of the things that the Vermont NEA didn't like about him:

How do you feel about the UN

You are aware that Dean thinks we should rely more on the the UN .. that we should spend more time consulting with them on our national security issues

Why in the world you can't see what Dean is doing is beyond me

Kind of reminds be of an argument I had back in 92 with my Lib sister.

I told her then, that Clinton was a buffoon and would turn out to be the worse thing that ever happen to this country.

At the time she said I was nuts .. but I turned out to be correct.