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AMNESTY CRISIS: Fight Tom Ridge's new plan
Numbers USA ^ | 12-10-03 | Roy Beck

Posted on 12/10/2003 1:28:20 PM PST by Klickitat

The country needs your faxes and phone calls immediately and steadily over the next few days.

Tom Ridge, the head of the new U.S. Department of Homeland Security, yesterday advocated legalizing (giving amnesty) to 8-12 million illegal aliens.

Click here to read the story titled: "Homeland security
chief endorses legalizing undocumented immigrants."
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This creates an immediate crisis that must be met with massive outcry -- like the outcry in August of 2001 that stopped Pres. Bush's July proposal for a massive amnesty for some 3.5 million illegal aliens from Mexico.

The most important thing is shoot this trial balloon down as fast as possible. Show the White House that this suggestion is outrageous and will be met with contempt from the majority of Americans.

More in a minute, but first the action.

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SEND FAXES NOW
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We just learned of this article in the last hour. Anne Manetas is at the computer writing text for faxes as I write this. Over the next two hours, you will start to see various faxes to Sec. Ridge, to the White House and to key congressional leaders who can put a stop to this nonsense.

Please send these faxes from:
"Send Fax"

If you go mid-afternoon today (Wednesday), they may not be up yet, but be sure to come back and send this evening.

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CALL SEC. RIDGE AND THE WHITE HOUSE......NOW....and for a week
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Your actions are the most powerful when they arrive immediately. I am sure that Sec. Ridge made his statement yesterday toin a fairly small audience in to a fairly inconsequential audience in Miami never dreaming that the whole nation would seem to be calling and faxing his office by 3:00 this afternoon. The faster the phones are ringing the better.

But if you are reading this after 6 p.m. EST Wednesday, please call Thursday. For that matter, some of you may want to call again on Friday and again next week. If you are reading this next week, your calls will still be great.

It will be important for Sec. Ridge and the White House to see that this is not a flash-in-the-pan protest but one that grows and continues over time.

Our Capitol Hill team will be working with key staffers over the next 24 hours to begin getting their bosses to send letters to Ridge asking him to recant. And those of you who are regular letter-to-the-editor writers will be called on to fire one to all newspapers that ran this story today.

What apparently is going on here is that the open-borders side is trying to regain some momentum after basically losing everything in Congress this year -- even though its PR machine repeatedly persuaded the NY Times and other commentators to declare that people of all sides were part of a growing, powerful movement that indicated some major amnesty would pass this year.

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THE PHONE NUMBERS
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Secretary Ridge, Secretary Tom
U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Washington, DC
20500
(202-282-8000)

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President Bush, President George W.
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20500
(202-456-1414)

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WHAT RIDGE SAID
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Your calls to both the White House and to Ridge's office should refer to Ridge's outrageous endorsement of amnesty as being a terrible signal from the Administration.

Obviously, it is important to give Ridge the ability to back down gracefully. Because of the confused, garbled thinking in his statement last night, he has room to do so.

The first good sign is that Ridge did not make his comment in a prepared statement or before an influential audience. It was in a Q and A. Second, his actual description of what legalization would look like is full of contradictory ideas. To quote the news story:

"A man who identified himself as Miguel Arroyo of Aventura asked Ridge whether he supported immigration legalization and whether he thought it would benefit national security."

Ridge answered:

"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal stus some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it.

The story said that Ridge "said he thinks the body politic is about ready to address the issue of the illegal immigrants, who he said contribute to communities and Social Security and pay taxes. He referred to a growing number of bills that would grant residency to some of those living here illegally. He said one of these, which would require all illegal immigrants to leave the country before applying for residency, is 'not workable.' "

Ridge went on to say:

"I'm not saying make them citizens, because they violated the law to get here. So you don't reward that type of conduct by turning over a citizenship certificate. You determine how you can legalize their presence, then, as a country, you make a decision that from this day forward, from this day forward, this is the process of entry, and if you violate that process of entry we have the resources to cope with it."

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YOUR PHONE MESSAGE
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You won't get much time to talk. Have one or two things that you absolutely want to convey and say them. Be prepared to say more if given the chance.

I'm sure that from reading Ridge's statement, you already have thought of a number of things you want to say. I'm going to offer several points for you to choose from if you don't have your own. These are not in any particular order.

1. This talk of legalization of lawbreakers from the top security man in the nation is an insult and a threat to safety of every federal official charged with protecting our borders. It gives illegals the incentive to do ANYTHING to get across and claim this prize. And it may insight millions of new people to storm the borders.

2. Ridge has thrown in the towel on law enforcement and says nothing can be done about illegal aliens. In fact, Congress has passed a major law each of the last two years to deal with this problem. These laws have not yet been implemented. When they are, they will make it far more difficult for illegal aliens to live in this country and begin to force many to move back home. Why is Ridge pre-emptorily undermining the very laws he is charged with carrying out.

3. Ridge's solution seems to be that you give all illegal aliens now amnesty but change our enforcement so that any person who comes illegally in the future will be dealt with. If you can deal with future illegals, why not just start dealing with the ones already here? In fact, the 1986 amnesty of 3 million illegals was said to be a one-time-only amnesty under the exact idea that Ridge is suggesting. There was supposed to never be another million illegals living in this country. Instead, another 8-12 million have come in hopes of another amnesty.

4. Ridge's statement sounds like two different people were controlling his mouth. One person sounded like a top law enforcement official who said, "As a country (we have to) decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it." But somebody from the cheap-labor lobbyists or radical, leftist open-borders groups got Ridge's mouth to say that all the illegal aliens here right now should become LEGAL. The fact is that 80% of the people in this country and the majority of the U.S. Congress knows what immigration policy is -- if you don't have a legal right to be here, you should leave -- and they want the head of the Department of Homeland Security to enforce that policy.

5. Unless Sec. Ridge backs away from these statements immediately, there is no reason for Americans not to lose full faith and confidence that he has their security at heart. He is supposed to be the man above all others who will enforce our laws to protect our borders and protect us from terrorists, criminals and masses of uninvited labor that steals from the wages and jobs of the American people. In this speech, he sounds like the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Insecurity. He is a chief law UNenforcement officer. He is saying that somebody ought to enforce immigration laws someday, but not now. He is saying that he believes he is incapable of enforcing those immigration laws entrusted to him and that the only solution is to reward all the lawbreakers with legal status.

6. Sec. Ridge seems to suggest that illegal aliens should be made legal but not have the right to citizenship. Is he proposing a new legal status that allows people to work and live permanently in the U.S. but with never a chance at citizenship? What is he suggesting?

7. Last week the Department of Homeland Security announced it was killing the NSEERS program that caused tens of thousands of illegal aliens from terrorist-sponsoring countries to leave our country voluntarily rather than appear at DHS offices to register. Now, Ridge says that he actually wants all illegal aliens to stay permanently and be welcomed as contributors to the Social Security system. Has the DHS decided that it no longer will enforce immigration laws.

8. 18 million Americans cannot find a full-time job, yet Sec. Ridge wants to keep 8-12 million illegal-alien workers and their families in this country working. What does he have against unemployed and underemployed American workers. Why does he seem to be waging a war against American workers instead of against foreigners who illegally enter our country and threaten our livelihoods?


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: activism; aliens; amnesty; biggovernment; criminalsrunfree; foreigninvaders; foreignoccupation; government; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegalmexicans; illegalnotimmigrants; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrationstatus; insane; invasion; mexico; nannystate; nationalsovereignty; nationalsuicide; noborders; republicanturncoats; ruleoflaw; thewelfarestate; tomridge; welfarestate
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To: Klickitat
He said one of these, which would require all illegal immigrants to leave the country before applying for residency, is 'not workable.' "

Going a couple hundred miles back to Mexico is not workable, yet requiring someone who wants to immigrate legally to show a clean criminal record, a compelling reason to be in the United States and the means for self-support or sponsorship is standard practice. Go figure. </ sarcasm>

161 posted on 12/11/2003 3:08:42 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: UCANSEE2
Well stated.
162 posted on 12/11/2003 4:23:49 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Dave S
And how many of the criminals are in this country illegally? How many are not citizens? A foreign sounding name and a dark complexion does equate to a foreigner except in the eyes of Tancredo butt kissers.

Most of the latino criminals are recent arrivals or the offspring of them. This is a different breed from the long-term US hispanic, you actually don't find all that many criminals in the SW hispanics descended from Spaniards and North American Indians --- New Mexicans or Tejanos, nor in the previous batch who immigrated (escapted) during the Mexican Revolution.

Check the crime rates in cities like Ciudad Juarez and Mexico City --- and you won't need to wonder how many of these are long-generationed US citizens or the recent arrivals from Mexico.

163 posted on 12/11/2003 4:27:39 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Dave S
Another clue --- LA's crime rate more closely resembles (except quite a bit lower) that of Ciudad Juarez and Mexico City's than it does older established Spanish cities of the SW.
164 posted on 12/11/2003 4:29:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Consort
Amnesty does nothing to prevent a large and growing criminal subculture --- it only promotes it ---- if someone is a criminal, then giving them easy citizenship or legal papers doesn't make them non-criminals.

The other thing --- supposedly these people came here illegally to do the low-paying hard jobs that Americans and legal immigrants don't wish to do. If we need illegals --- what's the point in changing their status? Leave them as illegals so they'll keep on doing the low-paying hard jobs no one else wants to do. Making them legals defeats the whole purpose of why they're here in the first place.
165 posted on 12/11/2003 4:35:20 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Klickitat
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United Nations of the World

And to the socialist dictatorships for which it stands

One World, under the Dollar, indivisible

With slavery and injustice for all!

Recite this 3 times a day while facing New York, and be a good world citizen!

166 posted on 12/11/2003 4:51:13 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: UCANSEE2
Trying to deport them all will be a costly and stupid mistake. In case you are 'ignoring' this, we DEPORT them all the time. Know what happens? They just sneak back in.

Yes --- we won't deport all --- and we don't really need to. Some of them lay pretty low, they aren't committing other crimes that could get them deported. They aren't registering kids at our schools expecting the taxpayers here to provide that or anything else. We don't need to bother with or worry about them.

The illegals who need to be deported ---- and can easily be deported ---- no road blocks, no door-to-door searches, etc, can be easily found by cleaning up the Social Security number databases and deporting all the felony crime committers who are illegally using them, deporting those accessing government services, who obtain health care but won't pay their own bill, are found driving without insurance, in DWIs, shoplifting and any other crimes.

167 posted on 12/11/2003 4:57:57 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
It doesn't matter why they came here. If they are illegally, then they don't belong here and they are criminals as long as they are here unless their status changes.
Now, since they are here and are spreading throughout the country and are not leaving, they will have to be assimilated one way or another. As I said, it's the steep price we have to pay for generations of open and uncontrolled borders...and we will pay. Over the long run, it will be much less costly, monetarily, socially, and otherwise to turn them into taxpayers rather than tax users. The government is not going to hunt them down one by one and return them to their countries of origin. If you want that done, then you will have to do it.
168 posted on 12/11/2003 7:51:33 PM PST by Consort
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To: goldilucky
Absolutely! Tom Ridge needs to go and if Bush Jr. refuses to fire him it will cost Bush Jr. his re-election in '04

Right. Let's hand the war on terrorism over to the whimpy America hating left over one domestic issue.

Real smart.

169 posted on 12/11/2003 8:05:06 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
How about Tom Tancredo for president?

From your keyboard to God's ear!!!

170 posted on 12/11/2003 8:07:52 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Jorge
Whimpy you call me? Lefty?

Pardon me sir, but my loyalty is to Jesus Christ, Country, and family only! I do not serve those who are not men of God.


As this administration is rotating some of the troops from deploying to returning, why aren't they deploying them on American borders? We are wide open for attack. NOBODY WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT AT ALL. That's the issue. Our dear dear lovely Commander in Chief is sending our men and women in uniform overseas and many of them sent overseas are protecting foreign borders for God's sakes. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ALL ABOUT? WE NEED TO PROTECT AMERICAN BORDERS!

And yes, unless this current administration gets its' act together to fix this illegal immigration problem, it WILL cost Bush his re-election in 2004. Americans have just had it.
171 posted on 12/11/2003 9:23:42 PM PST by goldilucky
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To: Klickitat
The following is a letter a friend sent to his congressman. He invited me to borrow from it to do the same.



Last year I wrote you with my concerns about the presence and continuing influx of illegal immigrants into America. You replied asking me to be patient, the new Homeland Security Department would soon handle the problem.

Well here we are a year later. And is the situation being addressed?

"Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge told a Miami audience Tuesday that the country should legalize millions of undocumented immigrants living in the country."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/miami/sfl-cridge10dec10,0,5230415.story?coll=sfla-news-miami


Meanwhile in Buffalo, NY - "They're hiding in plain sight, just north of here — a short striking distance away from some of America's most-vulnerable targets.

"This silent army of terrorists, including members of al Qaeda, has the "capability and conviction" to support devastating attacks across North America, operating out of "sleeper cells" from Montreal to Vancouver, according to U.S. and Canadian law-enforcement authorities."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031209-114319-3699r.htm

Now it appears that the radial Hispanic group, Aztlan, has recognized it pays to align itself with the objectives of the radical Islamic groups. Check out their web site: http://www.aztlan.net/index.html

To say it's really only a small problem is like saying a fuse has only a small fire as the flame burns closer to the powder keg.

I don't want the Federal Government to buy prescription drugs for me. I want it to do what individuals can't do for themselves like PROTECTING OUR BORDERS!

Sir, from what I can see, unless things are turned around fast, America is going to hell in a hand basket. But you know much more than me. Perhaps you've concluded that illegal immigrant has reached critical mass and it's too late to take action.
172 posted on 12/11/2003 9:28:52 PM PST by Barnacle (Those who lack the guts to stand up for righteousness are condemned to be ruled by @$$#0135.)
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To: Klickitat
Write Ridge? If this was his idea there is no question that President Bush blessed it, or more likely, shared in its genesis. Therefore, only Bush can undo it.

This seems politically motivated, but I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks this huge bloc of illegals (mostly Mexicans) will reward Bush and the Republicans with their votes (oh yes, the next step, and already in sight, will be citizenship and the right to vote.

173 posted on 12/11/2003 9:28:58 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: Klickitat

174 posted on 12/11/2003 9:33:53 PM PST by dagnabbit (Stop Immigrating Islam. Don't let France happen to America.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
How do you suggest we fight this Dana?
175 posted on 12/12/2003 7:31:36 AM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: SUSSA
From your keyboard to God's ear!!!

Well if we start a write-in Tancredo movement you never know. For those of us fed up with the government's acquiesence to this invasion what choice do we have?

176 posted on 12/12/2003 10:04:57 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: UCANSEE2
I realize that you know the answers to your questions, but I will assume that your questions are sincere.

1. Thousands of illegal are deported or blocked daily already. So there will be ZERO cost for this. Preventing their re-entry by things already in place would also have a negligible cost. If starting today, we enforced our border, in a few years we could clean out this country quite easily just by the current in-place, already paid for system. Every arrested illegal, every green-card raid, every application for welfare, driver's license etc. could be used just they way they are to catch these law-breakers who disporportionately commit violent crimes, go on welfare and vote for socialists.

2. Lots of easy new ways. How about using our current monitoring technology (yes, even now, even this conversation, is monitored by our government already and is already paid for) to arrest every criminal (and all illegal aliens are CRIMINALS by definition) who transfers money to Mexico. Notice all those money transfer places popping up in every downtown in America? You know, downtowns where there used to be businesses, small manufacturers and stores? Who do you think uses them?

3. Make the criminals pay for their own deportation. Seize their money, credit cards, property, and bank accounts and make them pay their own way home.

4. Get rid of that idiotic being-born-on-this-side-of-the-rio-grande-makes-you-an-instant-citizen law like European and many other countries.

5. Not too many years ago I remember how to cross the border you needed notarized documents and proof of money to support yourself. Canada does that to US citizens going to Canada. Easy to institute that. No money needed. How about charging Mexicans (and all the others including THOUSANDS from countries we are currently at war with) 100 bucks a pop to cross the border? Ridiculously easy to enforce our border. (And by the way, I'm not going to respond to any more chicken-little hand wringing scenarios of "It costs too much" or "it would hurt someone's feelings")

I think your last point was that we should check the criminals (remember by criminal I mean all ILLEGAL aliens who are, by definition, CRIMINALS) and deport the ones we don't like. Don't you realize how much cheaper it is to block entry in the first place? And that waiting for these CRIMINALS to commit violent crime is unthinkingly stupid. I think all you CRIMINAL supporters should be forced to put up signs on your businesses and property that say WE SUPPORT CRIMINALS so that those of you who support this idea will be the ones whose families and property are damaged so we can tell the "bad" ones from the "good" ones.

Anyway, assuming that you are sincere, I hope that the above was enough to convince you to join the rest of us Americans in protecting our country.

Do you know the ironic thing about all this? If the U.S. does become a Mexico Norte or Aztlan, where will the illegals go next after they have destroyed our economy and constitution? Mexico couldn't last without the illegal looting of the American economy. It is in their best interest to help us seal the border.

177 posted on 12/12/2003 11:21:01 AM PST by baxter999
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To: JustPiper
It is blowing up in the RINOs faces. It will not stand. Breaking point has been reached.
178 posted on 12/12/2003 3:48:01 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Don't avoid. Read Joe Guzzardi.)
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To: goldilucky
Whimpy you call me? Lefty?

Actually I didn't call you either of those things. But by all means if the shoe fits wear it.

Pardon me sir, but my loyalty is to Jesus Christ, Country, and family only! I do not serve those who are not men of God.

Boy, you sound like a fun person to be around. Really.

Our dear dear lovely Commander in Chief is sending our men and women in uniform overseas and many of them sent overseas are protecting foreign borders for God's sakes. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ALL ABOUT? WE NEED TO PROTECT AMERICAN BORDERS!

Oh, so you agree with Howard Dean that we should pull back from our war on terrorism, run away from Iraq and hide within our own borders. And just hope nobody we let in doesn't like us. That is what gave us 9-11.

And yes, unless this current administration gets its' act together to fix this illegal immigration problem, it WILL cost Bush his re-election in 2004. Americans have just had it.

Americans have "had it" with single issue zealots who constantly threaten Bush when he doesn't meet their standard of perfection.
If ya'll want to help elect an Al Gore, or Hillary, then go ahead. But don't annoy us with these "puritan" political standards for Republicans.

179 posted on 12/12/2003 6:42:17 PM PST by Jorge
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Breaking point has been reached.

For us all -sigh-

180 posted on 12/12/2003 6:42:55 PM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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