AMNESTY CRISIS: Fight Tom Ridge's new plan

Numbers USA ^ | 12-10-03 | Roy Beck

[Klickitat]

The country needs your faxes and phone calls immediately and steadily over the next few days.

Tom Ridge, the head of the new U.S. Department of Homeland Security, yesterday advocated legalizing (giving amnesty) to 8-12 million illegal aliens.

Click here to read the story titled: "Homeland security
chief endorses legalizing undocumented immigrants."
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This creates an immediate crisis that must be met with massive outcry -- like the outcry in August of 2001 that stopped Pres. Bush's July proposal for a massive amnesty for some 3.5 million illegal aliens from Mexico.

The most important thing is shoot this trial balloon down as fast as possible. Show the White House that this suggestion is outrageous and will be met with contempt from the majority of Americans.

More in a minute, but first the action.

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SEND FAXES NOW
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We just learned of this article in the last hour. Anne Manetas is at the computer writing text for faxes as I write this. Over the next two hours, you will start to see various faxes to Sec. Ridge, to the White House and to key congressional leaders who can put a stop to this nonsense.

Please send these faxes from:
"Send Fax"

If you go mid-afternoon today (Wednesday), they may not be up yet, but be sure to come back and send this evening.

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CALL SEC. RIDGE AND THE WHITE HOUSE......NOW....and for a week
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Your actions are the most powerful when they arrive immediately. I am sure that Sec. Ridge made his statement yesterday toin a fairly small audience in to a fairly inconsequential audience in Miami never dreaming that the whole nation would seem to be calling and faxing his office by 3:00 this afternoon. The faster the phones are ringing the better.

But if you are reading this after 6 p.m. EST Wednesday, please call Thursday. For that matter, some of you may want to call again on Friday and again next week. If you are reading this next week, your calls will still be great.

It will be important for Sec. Ridge and the White House to see that this is not a flash-in-the-pan protest but one that grows and continues over time.

Our Capitol Hill team will be working with key staffers over the next 24 hours to begin getting their bosses to send letters to Ridge asking him to recant. And those of you who are regular letter-to-the-editor writers will be called on to fire one to all newspapers that ran this story today.

What apparently is going on here is that the open-borders side is trying to regain some momentum after basically losing everything in Congress this year -- even though its PR machine repeatedly persuaded the NY Times and other commentators to declare that people of all sides were part of a growing, powerful movement that indicated some major amnesty would pass this year.

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THE PHONE NUMBERS
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Secretary Ridge, Secretary Tom
U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Washington, DC
20500
(202-282-8000)

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President Bush, President George W.
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC 20500
(202-456-1414)

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WHAT RIDGE SAID
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Your calls to both the White House and to Ridge's office should refer to Ridge's outrageous endorsement of amnesty as being a terrible signal from the Administration.

Obviously, it is important to give Ridge the ability to back down gracefully. Because of the confused, garbled thinking in his statement last night, he has room to do so.

The first good sign is that Ridge did not make his comment in a prepared statement or before an influential audience. It was in a Q and A. Second, his actual description of what legalization would look like is full of contradictory ideas. To quote the news story:

"A man who identified himself as Miguel Arroyo of Aventura asked Ridge whether he supported immigration legalization and whether he thought it would benefit national security."

Ridge answered:

"The bottom line is, as a country we have to come to grips with the presence of 8 to 12 million illegals, afford them some kind of legal stus some way, but also as a country decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it.

The story said that Ridge "said he thinks the body politic is about ready to address the issue of the illegal immigrants, who he said contribute to communities and Social Security and pay taxes. He referred to a growing number of bills that would grant residency to some of those living here illegally. He said one of these, which would require all illegal immigrants to leave the country before applying for residency, is 'not workable.' "

Ridge went on to say:

"I'm not saying make them citizens, because they violated the law to get here. So you don't reward that type of conduct by turning over a citizenship certificate. You determine how you can legalize their presence, then, as a country, you make a decision that from this day forward, from this day forward, this is the process of entry, and if you violate that process of entry we have the resources to cope with it."

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YOUR PHONE MESSAGE
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You won't get much time to talk. Have one or two things that you absolutely want to convey and say them. Be prepared to say more if given the chance.

I'm sure that from reading Ridge's statement, you already have thought of a number of things you want to say. I'm going to offer several points for you to choose from if you don't have your own. These are not in any particular order.

1. This talk of legalization of lawbreakers from the top security man in the nation is an insult and a threat to safety of every federal official charged with protecting our borders. It gives illegals the incentive to do ANYTHING to get across and claim this prize. And it may insight millions of new people to storm the borders.

2. Ridge has thrown in the towel on law enforcement and says nothing can be done about illegal aliens. In fact, Congress has passed a major law each of the last two years to deal with this problem. These laws have not yet been implemented. When they are, they will make it far more difficult for illegal aliens to live in this country and begin to force many to move back home. Why is Ridge pre-emptorily undermining the very laws he is charged with carrying out.

3. Ridge's solution seems to be that you give all illegal aliens now amnesty but change our enforcement so that any person who comes illegally in the future will be dealt with. If you can deal with future illegals, why not just start dealing with the ones already here? In fact, the 1986 amnesty of 3 million illegals was said to be a one-time-only amnesty under the exact idea that Ridge is suggesting. There was supposed to never be another million illegals living in this country. Instead, another 8-12 million have come in hopes of another amnesty.

4. Ridge's statement sounds like two different people were controlling his mouth. One person sounded like a top law enforcement official who said, "As a country (we have to) decide what our immigration policy is and then enforce it." But somebody from the cheap-labor lobbyists or radical, leftist open-borders groups got Ridge's mouth to say that all the illegal aliens here right now should become LEGAL. The fact is that 80% of the people in this country and the majority of the U.S. Congress knows what immigration policy is -- if you don't have a legal right to be here, you should leave -- and they want the head of the Department of Homeland Security to enforce that policy.

5. Unless Sec. Ridge backs away from these statements immediately, there is no reason for Americans not to lose full faith and confidence that he has their security at heart. He is supposed to be the man above all others who will enforce our laws to protect our borders and protect us from terrorists, criminals and masses of uninvited labor that steals from the wages and jobs of the American people. In this speech, he sounds like the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Insecurity. He is a chief law UNenforcement officer. He is saying that somebody ought to enforce immigration laws someday, but not now. He is saying that he believes he is incapable of enforcing those immigration laws entrusted to him and that the only solution is to reward all the lawbreakers with legal status.

6. Sec. Ridge seems to suggest that illegal aliens should be made legal but not have the right to citizenship. Is he proposing a new legal status that allows people to work and live permanently in the U.S. but with never a chance at citizenship? What is he suggesting?

7. Last week the Department of Homeland Security announced it was killing the NSEERS program that caused tens of thousands of illegal aliens from terrorist-sponsoring countries to leave our country voluntarily rather than appear at DHS offices to register. Now, Ridge says that he actually wants all illegal aliens to stay permanently and be welcomed as contributors to the Social Security system. Has the DHS decided that it no longer will enforce immigration laws.

8. 18 million Americans cannot find a full-time job, yet Sec. Ridge wants to keep 8-12 million illegal-alien workers and their families in this country working. What does he have against unemployed and underemployed American workers. Why does he seem to be waging a war against American workers instead of against foreigners who illegally enter our country and threaten our livelihoods?

[Dante3]

BS is right. Even if some illegals did work hard, that does not give them the license to be above our laws and get reduced college tuition on top of it. John Wayne Gacy was one heck of a hard-working guy.

Tom Ridge has to go. He has indicated that laws for our national security are not to be enforced. He is one scary guy.

[DumpsterDiver]

I've got a couple of comments:

• Therefore, they will be legalized (via amnesty) and they will become voters.

Only if they become citizens (and I think that's assuming a lot) or if we allow non-citizens to vote.

• They will also become tax payers.

You're assuming that once they obtain legal status they will stop working under the table.

• How many potential voters are we talking about?

I'm going to see if I can find out how many of the illegals from the amnesty of 1986 eventually became citizens. I'll post the info if I can find it.

[familyofman]

"Selfish, narrow-minded, lacking common-sense, influenced by fear tactics....
These are things I would say about those who support this post."

Okay, I guess I'm all that & then some. Do you have anything else you want to call me?

"...LET's HEAR YOUR SOLUTION."

You already don't like it - round 'em up, ship them to the border. If they won't go - shoot them (self-defemse).

"...or saying something like "deport them all" just shows a lack of understanding of the world, and the spirit of the American People."

I really don't think you understand the spirit of the American people. We have worked too damn hard to get where we are today to let any group steal it from us. All this illegals are trying to take from me and others what my family over the last 15 generations have worked for & I for one will not sit by and let it happen. Im fact, I'm going to start turning in illegals to at least the IRS & have them held accountable for the law-breakers they are.
Americans always have been a friendly people, but don't break in the door to my house and expect me to assist you in stealing my furniture. That will never happen!!

[rmlew]

We have been talking about mass arrests and deportation of illegal aliens en masse. Both of which are also very Hitleresque.
FDR did it.
The reality is that all nationalism is tied by the left to the Pan-Aryanism of Hitler.
I refuse to by the leftist revisionism.

[TigersEye]

WASHINGTON - U.S. and Mexican officials are discussing an agreement that would allow millions of Mexicans to return home and still collect U.S. Social Security benefits.

[rmlew]

We took Texas because the Mexicans invited American settlers into a sparsely populated Area. The American-Texans became a majority and rebelled to get their country. Texas then joined the US.
Meanwhile Americans were legally and illegally pouring into the area between Texas and the PAcific and Oregon.
We took California because these armed settlers, many illegally there, rallied behind Captain John Fremont and then General Zachary Taylor to take California.
The Veracruz to Mexico city campaign was a brilliant manueever, but we only took the Southwest because there were so many Americans already there routing the Mexicans.
Go read the Whig attacks on the war including those of Lincoln.
The simple fact is that we took the land by immigration, rebellion, and invasion.
We cannot allow the MExicans to regain it that way!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Exactly how many terrorists have come in through Mexico?

Thats easy. THOUSANDS

So now you are cheapening the word terrorists by including run of the mill criminals.

Oh, I see, so the murdering criminals pouring in illegally from Mexico aren't terrorist? LOL!

I think the 12 year old little girl that was shot in the back by this cockroach would completely disagree with you.

This is just one terrorist from Mexico.

Look at the link I sent you. "LAPDs most wanted". They are looking for hundreds of these terrorist.

Murders, terrorist, rapist, WTF is the difference? You wouldn't consider this AH a terrorist if he blew your wifes brains out and took her car?

Of course they are terrorist. They are terrorizing our citizens. LA county jail has *thousands* of these terrorist in their central jails. Just like Houston, Dallas, Phoenix, San Deigo, etc.

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WANTED FOR: Attempt Murder Suspect: Magallon, Jaime Macia Alias: Lopez, Jaime, Lil Diablo Sex: Male Descent: Hispanic

Crime Information: Suspect has know associates living in Tijuana and crosses the border frequently. Suspect has been featured in local newspapers and was depicted on "Americas Most Wanted". Suspect shot an unarmed 12 year old girl in the back with an assault rifle during a drive-by.

[Dave S]

Look at the link I sent you. "LAPDs most wanted". They are looking for hundreds of these terrorist.

Again I ask, how many of these "terrorists" as you call them entered the country illegally? Didnt see anything identifying illegals on the most wanted website. As for your terrorists we have our own homegrown versions in St. Louis. They are all the same to me, scum. Did you ever meet a immigrant you ever liked, legal or not? My recollection is that you didnt even like Scwartzeneger.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Oh Lord here it comes.

Ferrrrget it Dave.....

[Dave S]

LA county jail has *thousands* of these terrorist in their central jails.

Face it, most of the people living in California are kooks of one variety or another. Only someone with a victim mentality would continue to live where earthquakes, major fires, mudslides, cultural depravity, and economic chaos are a daily way of life. And you worry about immigrants.

[goldilucky]

Tom Ridge is supporting terrorism by giving aid to potential terrorists crossing our borders. I say we deport Tom Ridge and any other government officials that support this illegal act. This is an invasion we are talking about and several members of the national guard I have spoken to would be willing to protect our borders. They feel that what this Ridge and others supporting Ridge are doing is an act of terrorism against Americans. This is not from my mouth but from theirs. These national guardsmen do not believe we should be sending more troops over seas when we need some of those troops on our borders to protect Americans from being invaded on and property destroyed.


When the next terrorist attack hits America, you can blame Tom Ridge and others who believe in open borders which not only allow illegals from Mexico to come here but also other illegals from other countries. Giving amnesty to illegals is an act of war against the American people. We Americans are not going to attack the illegals coming in, but we will be going after those responsible for allowing this to happen in the first place. We will not be sheddding blood on the streets as those in government would like to see, but instead taking our grievances to the white house. As they are responsible for making and executing policy on this outrageous act, they will also answer to the American people when the next attack hits.

If Tom Ridge aids and abets enemies, then he and other policy members will have to stand trial as a war criminal against the American people. His Homeland Security is straight out of Nazi Germany. The Homeland Security Act was never designed to protect the American people but just the opposite. If anybody believes for a minute that it does protect you as an American, you have been fed a myth and that is just what our policy makers want you to believe in. Myths are designed to keep useless eaters, (which is what we are regarded as) dumb, stupid, and submissive.

I say if we cannot depend on our own government to deploy the professional standing army troops on our borders to protect us from invasions like this which it was designed to do, then we will do it ourselves as the unprofessional standing army able-bodied and minded. Title 10 U.S.C. 311 justifies this per the Second Amendment pertaining to two classifications of the militia. We, the Americans, are the unprofessioanal standing army (militia)and it is our duty to protect this great nation when our government fails to do what it swore to uphold in the Constitution of the United States of America. If our own government cannot identify their enemies but instead regards Americans as "enemies" then the war has just begun. We no longer live in a Country where laws are enforced but instead we live on a continent where we are nothing but flies to a pile of dog shit that just keeps getting piled high and deep.

Thank you Klickitat and God Bless

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

Kill America for a few votes?

HELL NO

[flamefront]

President Bush - Fire Tom Ridge, now!

[UCANSEE2]

Pegleg.

[UCANSEE2]

I found some merit in your reply, so I am responding.

It's quite easy to deport and quite cheap.

Talk is cheap. Deporting all the illegal immigrants (just like the mindless droll about closing the borders), is very expensive, and would take a very long time. If you think it's so cheap, how about detailing the costs per person, including FINDING THEM first. I would submit you have no clue what it costs, but I could be wrong.

If Ridge and Bush were really serious about Homeland Security they would already have clamped down on the borders.

We have. Tons of troops, National guard. Many arrests have been made, and many, many more acts of terrorism were prevented than you can imagine.

If we clamped down on the borders the illegals deported wouldn't get back in.

And, just how is it, then, that they get back in now? What clamping down on the border do you have that would prevent this?

And if you think all that is coming across from Mexico in those lines of NAFTA trucks is Mexicans yearning to be free,

No, I do not. I think our resources are best used in getting all illegals to register, and sorting out the bad from the good.

Export the ones with criminal records, or who are not becoming a part of the citizenry. Another rule which would could be carefully considered is that any immigrant that resorts to welfare can be considered for deportation based on reasons for the welfare support.

[UCANSEE2]

Your reply has been the most intelligent, and the best opposing viewpoint to Ridge's suggestion.

If I may expound,

(1)Enforce current immigration laws

(2)Judicial system to give max. sentences for those American companies or individuals hiring illegal aliens.

(3)Deport any illegal aliens that get caught, with the law or stipulation made well known that if caught and deported, that person will never be approved for legal immigration.

[UCANSEE2]

The biggest threat to this country does not come from overseas but from the infiltration of our communities by the enemy.

The biggest threat to this country comes from the Politicians who are willing to do anything to stay in power and keep their wealth. Politicians who take in 100's of thousands of immigrants (without any criminal background investigation) and give them citizenship, and a card that says, VOTE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TICKET (or else).

Politicians who hire illegal aliens because they think they are above the law.

Politicians who spit on police, politicians who allow the military to be cut, allow the murder of preborns, don't mind the elderly being killed as long as organs can be harvested and they can get richer.

ENFORCE THE LAWS we already have, and get RID OF THE CRIMINALS in our political system, and then most other things will take care of themselves.

[UCANSEE2]

Thanks for your response, and I admit, before my second reply to you, I hadn't read your linked article. I have gone back and read it, and I found several good lines of thought which could be incorporated into the best plan for dealing with illegal aliens.

Also, good job noticing that there is a game going on with semantics. Illegal Immigrant is a contradiction in terminology. The proper term is illegal alien.

You've incorrectly defined the problem, which is that our politicians refuse to enforce our laws against Illegal Aliens.

Actually, I have mentioned this, and I would go further.

The problem is that our justice sytem is not enforcing the laws against illegal aliens who are caught, nor against the American Citizens who are illegally employing them.

If we take away the prize, they will quit swinging at the pinata'.

If you want to identify traitors, then let everyone know that any person of company that uses illegals on a job is a traitor to the United States. And prosecute them for it.

Everyone wants to punish the illegals, who are just looking for a way to support themselves and their families, instead of punishing the bigger criminal, which is the person who is a US citizen, and knowingly violates the law, to make bigger profits. They would tell you they can't survive if they hire American labor, due to competition. The truth is that the competition hires illegals, so they are playing the game of JOHNNY DOES IT AND HIS PARENTS DON"T MIND with us.

Experience tells us that you are correct about the amnesty situation. Give in again, and you are asking for more of the same.

I didn't say Ridge's suggestion was the only or best one. I believed it had some merit.

I believe your concepts have merit. I believe someone could put all these together and come up with a plan that might work.

I just object to flat statements like "kill them all", (you didn't say it, someone else did)

Taking your ideas a step further and combining, how about deporting all illegals with this plan....

All those who report in for deportation will be allow to reapply for re-entry, and proper naturalization.

All those who don't will never be allowed re-entry or chance of naturalization.

[votelife]

bttt

[goldilucky]

Absolutely! Tom Ridge needs to go and if Bush Jr. refuses to fire him it will cost Bush Jr. his re-election in '04. Giving Amnesty and SSN checks to illegals is an act of war against Americans. It is the same as slapping the faces of every American citizen who works their fingers to the bone only to be raped of their hard-earned money to be handed out to those not entitled to the benefits whatsoever.

Paper bag lunches, water, and send them back one-way by Greyhound bus.