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1 posted on 12/10/2003 9:56:20 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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Hang on to for reference..
2 posted on 12/10/2003 10:01:21 AM PST by GrandEagle (I would like to say a hearty, heart felt THANKS to those who served in our nations armed forces.)
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To: JulieRNR21; MinuteGal; summer; Joe Brower; AAABEST; floriduh voter; windchime; NautiNurse; ...
If they insist on living in the past, we can throw them an anchor.

John Lott, Jr. with a helpful recap of the Dem-press fibs.

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A little of what Florida Freepers learned in 2000:

8 Clintons and other left-wing liars [what I KNOW about election 2000]

3 posted on 12/10/2003 10:02:13 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "Our military is full of the finest people on the face of the earth." ~ Pres. Bush, Baghdad)
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Polling conducted after the election indicates that the media had an impact on voter behavior, and that the perception of Democratic wins discouraged Republican voters. Democratic strategist Bob Beckel concluded Mr. Bush suffered a net loss of up to 8,000 votes in the panhandle after Florida was called early for Gore. Another survey of western-panhandle voters conducted by John McLaughlin & Associates, a Republican polling company, immediately after the election estimated that the early call cost Bush approximately 10,000 votes.

And cost Bush one to three MILLION votes in the rest of the country.

4 posted on 12/10/2003 10:04:53 AM PST by Timesink (I'm not a big fan of electronic stuff, you know? Beeps ... beeps freak me out. They're bad.)
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The Number One reason why Gore is not running this year is he knows he'll get a royal shellacking, especially in Florida. By not running he gets to hang on to the myths.
5 posted on 12/10/2003 10:08:10 AM PST by samtheman
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6 posted on 12/10/2003 10:11:51 AM PST by zook
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What is the supposed mechanism by which a ballot becomes "dimpled" ? Realistically that is. We're talking a piece of paper here, after all. Is it really that tough to punch a hole?

Or is it a matter of taking a stack of ballots and ramming a long piece of metal through them, oh, say, a coat hanger?

The first mistake as I see it in any case, an invalid ballot gets thrown out, period. If a voter makes a mistake by voting for two candidates, or whatnot - them's the breaks, simply because elections are not an infinite open-ended process. There is a starting point, and an end point. Fair is fair and "I want to vote again because my guy lost" doesn't seem to pass the smell test.

Democrats should be ashamed, but that's not how they work, and the rest of us better wake up to that fact and quick.
8 posted on 12/10/2003 10:17:52 AM PST by Freedom4US
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Of course, Florida law provided no mechanism to ask for a statewide recount a la the last option, only county-by-county recounts. And of course neither Gore's campaign nor the Florida Supreme Court ever asked for such a recount.

Someone suggested that Gore's first reaction to the U.S. Supreme Court decision in December 2000 should have been to file civil charges against David Boies for providing incompetent legal counsel, and then seek to have his license to practice law rescinded. The Gore case was effectively a lost cause once they decided to order recounts with different counting standards only in certain counties -- this was such a blatant violation of U.S. election law that the U.S. Supreme Court had no choice but to determine that it was not a valid recount process.

9 posted on 12/10/2003 10:21:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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Bump!
10 posted on 12/10/2003 10:27:07 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (DEFUND NPR & PBS - THE AMERICAN PRAVDA)
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Bookmark bump. Thanks for this; I suspect it'll come in handy in the next year!
11 posted on 12/10/2003 10:29:47 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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Bumped for reference.
12 posted on 12/10/2003 10:35:02 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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Excellent post - will keep - thanks!
13 posted on 12/10/2003 10:40:02 AM PST by talleyman (God bless FR & Merry Christmas!)
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Reference BUMP
14 posted on 12/10/2003 10:41:32 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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If the Dems decide to fight the '04 election over "The Florida Fiasco" they may well end up with copious amounts of egg on their faces when the dust settles and the votes are counted. This could be a political miscalculation of epic proportions but they're so big on themselves they can't see the hole they're about to fall into.

Consider...

Floridians will be treated to endless stories in the press about the "stolen" 2000 election. Implicit in this argument are two things: Floridians are too stupid to fill out a ballot correctly and/or they're a bunch of racists who deny Blacks their constitutional right to cast a ballot. How do they think that will play with Floridians? Of course the Dems will think they're telling the people that they were disenfranchised but the message they will get is that the state and its citizens are being held up to ridicule before the entire country. For months on end. Not a wise idea, IMHO. Couple that with the presence of a popular governor and some swing in the Jewish vote which appears inevitable and the Bush margin of victory in Florida could be quite high. Meanwhile, the rest of the nation sees the spectacle of the Dems fighting the election over a non-existant issue from the last one instead of looking forward. Bad move (well, from my perspective a great one if it helps Bush get reelected).

Dems just think they're so much smarter than everyone else that they are blind to the fact that many folks strongly resent "big city outsiders" coming in and telling them how to think, especially when the implied message is that the people don't know how to think for themselves.

McAwful has made it clear the election will be fought over Florida. Given his track record, perhaps we should encourage him, no?

15 posted on 12/10/2003 10:46:55 AM PST by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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If I'm not mistaken, the following represents a "coded message" from John Lott regarding the political-crime-that-date-not-speak-it's-name, otherwise known as DEMOCRAT VOTE FRAUD perpetrated by election officials in dem districts.

..African-American Republicans who voted were 54 to 66 times more likely than the average African American to cast a non-voted ballot (either by not marking that race or voting for too many candidates). [WL-law note: This could be accomplished by destroying their ballot and substituting it with a non-voted ballot (case A) or punching an additional chad out, disqualifying via multiple votes (case B)] To put it another way: For every two additional black Republicans in the average precinct, there was one additional non-voted ballot. By comparison, it took an additional 125 African Americans (of any party affiliation) in the average precinct to produce the same result.[WL-law note: Meaning one in every three African-American votes were tampered with -- and I suspect there are deeper patterns, i.e., concentration within districts, that point even more conclusively to fraud]

Some readers may be surprised that black Republicans even exist in Florida, but, in fact, there are 22,270 such registered voters — or about one for every 20 registered black Democrats. This is a large number when you consider that the election in the state was decided by fewer than 1,000 votes. Since these Republicans were more than 50 times more likely to suffer non-voted ballots than other African Americans, the reasonable conclusion is that George W. Bush was penalized more by the losses of African-American votes than Al Gore.

Democrats have also claimed that low-income voters suffered non-voted ballots disproportionately. Yet, the data decisively reject this conclusion. For example, the poorest voters, those in households making less than $15,000 a year, had non-voted ballots at less than one-fifteenth the rate of voters in families making over $500,000. [Similarly, were these non-voters concentrated in certain districts? I think John Lott may know but is being discreet in his accusations...]

It is difficult to believe that wealthy people were more confused by the ballot than poor people.[WL-law note: Not likely] Perhaps the rich or black Republicans simply did not like the choices for president and so did not vote on that part of the ballot. .[WL-law note: Not likely]Perhaps there was tampering, .[WL-law note: BINGO !!] but it is difficult to see how it could have been carried out and covered up. We may never know, but, clearly, the figures show that income and race were only one-third as important in explaining non-voted ballots as the methods and machines used in voting.

I have always thought that massive fraud was carried out on election day. I think it was well-planned, on a national scale, by Donna Brazile and others. Remember that all national polls conducted days before the election had Bush comfortably in front. Remember that Gore went on a 24-hour marathon campaigning swing, in my view to create "plausible cover" for the vote swing to follow.

16 posted on 12/10/2003 10:47:21 AM PST by WL-law
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Don't forget the 10,000 military votes that were voided by the Dimocrats.

Don't forget the 400 people being bused from New Jersey to Florida to vote by the Dimocrats.

Don't forget the Dimocrat woman that registered her dog to vote.

Don't forget the Florida Dimocrat Politician caught with voting machines in his car.

Don't forget the man that was working in one of the recounts that was observed eating chads from the ballots.

17 posted on 12/10/2003 10:54:55 AM PST by Destructor
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Great post!
18 posted on 12/10/2003 10:58:49 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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Thanks I just heard the stupidity out of someone's mouth yesterday. I just sent him the item.
19 posted on 12/10/2003 11:05:01 AM PST by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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"We had more votes; we won!" Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts said"

Huh? I must have missed that part.

20 posted on 12/10/2003 11:11:11 AM PST by sweetliberty (Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.)
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bttt
21 posted on 12/10/2003 11:21:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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It is difficult to believe that wealthy people were more confused by the ballot than poor people. Perhaps the rich or black Republicans simply did not like the choices for president and so did not vote on that part of the ballot. Perhaps there was tampering, but it is difficult to see how it could have been carried out and covered up.

Pretty simply, actually. There are two ways to tamper. Produce votes for one candidate, or steal them from another. Stats conveniently ignored are that Gore had already carried Broward and Palm Beach County by larger percentages than he statistically would be expected to. If you put 10 or 15 ballots in a voting machine and punched through the Gore slot, all of the Gore votes would be unaffected. However, the Bush and Buchanan votes would now be double-votes, hence, thrown out. Non-votes become Gore votes. This would also produce the dimpled or pregnant chads you heard so much about, as it is more difficult to push through 10 cards than one. There was rampant fraud. They just didn't steal enough votes.

Couple of Democrat techniques from back in the Lyndon Johnson days:

Make your bought precinct the last one to report so you'll know how many votes to steal

If it gets tight, keep doing recounts until you're ahead, then declare the election over.

The Gore team successfully did the first, and almost pulled off the second.

23 posted on 12/10/2003 11:30:55 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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