Looks like the other way around.
Posted on 12/07/2003 6:39:45 PM PST by Alouette
Looks like the other way around.
Oh gee, so in order for the Israelis to prove their spirituality to you they should all abandon their country and walk into the sea.
"Israel understands only the language of violence..."
If someone spoke Swahili to me every time they opened their mouth,sooner or later I would come to understand what it was they were trying to get across.These people should be gratefull for the fact that Israel doesn't yet fully understand what it is they are trying to get across...when it does finally dawn on them...there will be no more talk of Palestinian states in Israel.There probably won't be much talking at all.
"Palestinians on Sunday failed to reach agreement..."
"...the talks failed due to disagreement..."
"had different positions so we didn't agree."
"He said there was a wide gap between Hamas and Fatah..."
"There are disagreements about the nature of a cease-fire,"
"The factions have different positions on the issue."
and yet...
"The Palestinian factions have reached a level of awareness and responsibility that do not allow them to be affected by any political differences,"
These people seem only to be actually united on one issue...
"They could set up a state in Europe."
With the current rise in anti-semetism in Europe one would have to wonder how long that would last were Israel to take up the lunatic offer of moving house...then where?...the bottom of the Mediterranean sea?
These folks talk as though they had some sort of control as to which direction this issue might take.
"Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he shall not depart from it"(Proverbs 22:6)....children are certainly being trained and it will take a miracle to get them to depart from it.
Wether it be Israel,America or God Himself....these folks are bringing swift destruction on their own heads.
Thanks for the post.
God bless
ps.could you please add me to your ping list?
I think pretty much everybody here knows this whole "issue" will only be resolved in one way. War is a violent, brutal thing, and not something we should recklessly turn to, yet this endless charade of diplomatic pretense on the part of the enemies of Israel and the Jewish people while they continue to try and bleed Israel to a slow death is also something that won't continue forever.
Ultimately the House of Israel is in the hands of the One Who has kept them over these almost two millenia; that exclusive relationship He has had with them inevitably modelled yet again in His direct intervention in their experience—unless everything written in "The Book" are empty fables.
But I think not.
"...22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD." (Ezekial 39)
I think, after the dust settles, Israel will do well. Nevertheless, there is some angst, personal and otherwise, in the interim....
No, no need to walk into the sea. But my essential point stands. This is a fight over land.
Once it was Palestine. Then it became Israel. Now the Palestinians want it to be Palestine again.
Both peoples consider that they have a God-given right to occupy this place, to the detriment of the other. Many religious conflicts have this essential form. They clothe themselves in a garb of religiosity and the combatants claim a Divine directive, when what is truly at stake is something completely worldly.
Why don't you learn some manners?
Israael is the historical homeland for the Jews, period.
You mean the state of Israel? Or the land which is now encompassed by the state of Israel? The latter is true. The former is not. It is also the historical homeland for many Arabs.
Palestine was never a self governing entity.
No it wasn't. It was governed by the British latterly. Irrespective of who governed it, it was home to a large number of Arabs. As it still is today. And if those Arabs who now live in refugee camps still lived there, they would constitute a majority.
If ever a people needed a homeland outside of Europe, it's the Jews. A fight over "land" you say? Land that Jews were denied access to in World War II when thay faced Hitler's ovens.
"Denied access to." What do you mean? Denied the right to live there? Or denied their own state? Are you saying the Holocaust would never have happened had Israel been in existence?
I don't believe for one minute that even the Arabs, for whom I have nothing but contempt, are fighting over "material". Their intense spiritual drive stems from an inferiority complex in the face of their decadent civilization.
They're fighting over L-A-N-D. Using tactics which are inhuman and barbaric. There is a also a wider conflict underway between Islamic fundamentalism and Christianity which again pretends to be spiritual but which is also about LAND. They want westerners and non-Muslims out of Islamic territory i.e. the Middle East. Islamic LAND is not for infidels, in their opinion.
This materialism can also be seen in the Jewish attitude toward the Messiah. Someone who would restore the kingdom to Israel. But Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world." As you may know, this did not sit well with the Jews.
This is NOT about materialism. Got it?
I respectfully disagree.
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