The Case of KAL 007

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[Mulder]

They did ?

Yep. The Soviets were also VERY involved in the politics of Western Europe. For a time, they had the leader of the German Parliament on the take; and they also had the prime minister of one of the Scandavian countries working as a Soviet agent.

Peter Sweitzer's "Reagan's War" documents all of this, including the Soviet efforts to defeat Reagan.

[Mulder]

People die because of accidents sometimes. Really they do.

Maybe it was 'just an accident'. Personally, I doubt it very much. I believe it was a pre-meditated plan by the enemies of the Constitution to elimate the man who posed the biggest threat to them in the next decade.

[quietolong]

Even before the 40s

Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/622675/posts


Here's a list of Venona-related Soviet spies:
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_15/platt_15.html

Do you want to see how many Communist there still are in Hollywood?...Protesting Kazan's Award
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/975677/posts

[Question_Assumptions]

None of the evidence from either the Russian or the American side supports that conclusion, in my opinion. The Russian evidence suggests an incompitently handled incursion by a commercial airliner that seems to have actually left Soviet airspace before it was shot down because no one knew what was going on and they couldn't get in touch with anyone. The cockpit voice recorder suggests that the flight crew had no clue what was happening which also suggests an accident. There are far easier ways to assassinate a single person than to risk an international incident by shooting down a 747 full of people and then trying to cover up how incompitently it was done.

[Question_Assumptions]

IIRC, neither Bush Sr nor Bob Dole was ever a governor.

IIRC, Bush failed to win the party's nomination and was selected as Vice President by Ronald Reagan as an outreach gesture to his supporters. It is highly unlikely that he would have won the presidency without the Vice Presidency that was given to him by Ronald Reagan. As for Bob Dole, he managed to get his parties nomination only to loose very badly against Bill Clinton in '96. If McDonald was a conservative Democrat, he had as much of a chance of winning his party's nomination in 1988 as Zell Miller would today (0%) and I also find it incredibly unlikely that if he had a list of communists that he was carrying the only copy. Shooting down a 747 is a very messy way to kill one man or destroy one list.

[struwwelpeter]

An oldie but a goodie.

[krb]

The Soviets were real dumb-asses.

The US was on the verge of voting for an absurd Nuclear Freeze bill that would have stymied Reagan's efforts to "build up to build down" (the strategy that eventually brought the Soviet Union to its knees, fulfilling the prediction Reagan had made as far back as the 1976 election).

The KAL 007 shootdown, in the words of Newsweek, "Showed the side of the Soviet Union that Ronald Reagan had always warned about."

The Nuclear Freeze was defeated.

[Monty22]

" "Disaster: Stray or Spy" "

I saw that program, and I was really amazed at how tin foil it was on such a channel.

[Bobby777]

do we still have the old bookmarks? ... I can post but it eventually rolls off ...

[Question_Assumptions]

Not only was it tin-foil but it was made in the late 1980s and nearly all of the allegations made in that program, and the A&E move, were proved to be false because Soviet divers had salvaged the cockpit flight recorder and had conducted their own investigation and all of this became open when the USSR fell apart.

You can find an excellent analysis from Air Force Magazine in November 1991, showing how long ago the facts got out here:

http://www.jamesoberg.com/af-mag-kal.doc (MS Word Format)

[dalereed]

I knew Larry and his wife who he met at a Republican Christmas party in Glendale California.

I don't recall who they were at the time but there were 2 other conservative Congressman/Senators that were scheduled to be on that flight. One canceled at the last minute because of other business and the other missed the flight. If they had made the flight as planned there would have been 3 dead conservatives out of the way that were gaining in power and were becoming a force to be reckoned with

[nw_arizona_granny]

Thank you for having the link to this on your homepage.

It is an amazing story, one that I didn't know enough about.

[nw_arizona_granny]

This was new information to me and is worth reading.

An amazing story.

Russia as usual.