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Dean & Clintons Battle For DNC
EIB ^ | 12/4/03 | Rush

Posted on 12/04/2003 3:37:03 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
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41 posted on 12/04/2003 6:24:28 PM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
My 2 cents - this panetta talk is just posturing by the clinton camp. No one believes dean can win against Bush, so they're just putting a little distance between them & him for '08. Dean crashes, hill & bill still in control of da dems. Place your bets folks, place your bets right here.
42 posted on 12/04/2003 6:33:02 PM PST by searchandrecovery (America - Welcome to Sodom & Gomorrah West)
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To: GOPJ
Let's say Dean runs against Bush and doesn't take one state... this will be a new low... So what happens?

Let's examine this scenario a little further.

Being as far left as Dean is, a total 50 state rejection has to have repercussions on Nancy Pelosi's leadership in the House (being that she's as far left as Dean), as well as Daschle's position (assuming he survives his own election). A 50 state loss has to also include more losses in the Senate and the House from coattails. McAuliffe already has the defeat in 2002, and 3 out of 4 governships in 2003 at his feet.

Why would the party consider keeping Clinton/McAuliffe after that string of losses? What would an iron-clad fist around the reins of the DNC by Clinton/McAuliffe, in light of that record and with four more years of Bush, say to the masses within the Democrat party? When will they say that enough is enough?

-PJ

43 posted on 12/04/2003 7:00:10 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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she'll run in '04 because she has no patience and is a political buffoon ... he/she got lucky in one election and promptly took the democrat party down the tubes ... there is nothing to fear from her
44 posted on 12/04/2003 7:09:28 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Cletus: "There's that girl what makes those squiggles into words.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Why would the party consider keeping Clinton/McAuliffe after that string of losses?

For one reason only--$$$.

Hillary Clinton shows up anywhere and she can rake in millions. No other Democrat, even her husband, can generate that fund raising prowess.

If Dean loses big, Democrats will be so deperate they will blindly grab for any life line. Hillary will be there posing as their savior.

45 posted on 12/04/2003 7:29:46 PM PST by randita
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To: Batrachian
You think Dean could be a threat to Bush?

Most definitely. Call him crazy, deluded or whatever else but what makes him dangerous is that he is being underestimated and Bush's strengths overestimated.

46 posted on 12/04/2003 7:31:38 PM PST by varon
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The Clinton's have no choice if they want to retain control of the DNC but to have Hillery run 2004. If Dean is successful in taking control of the DNC from them, 2008 might be unwindable with a splintered Democratic party.
47 posted on 12/04/2003 7:35:47 PM PST by vanguard1701
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To: randita
But what about the rest of the party apparatus? How will a 50-state defeat affect Pelosi and Daschle? How will a 50-state defeat carry over into Senate races and the balance of power in the Senate? What cumulative affect will that have on Hillary!'s influence, or McAuliffe's?

In other words, what are the downline ramifications?

-PJ

48 posted on 12/04/2003 7:37:07 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
How will a 50-state defeat affect Pelosi and Daschle?

Tommy Daschle will be "deeply saddened."

49 posted on 12/04/2003 7:42:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: tefis
I believe that the presidential nominee, as the "titular" head of the party gets to name the party chairman. Dean's a control freak and will want his own people at the DNC.

You're right as far as you go, but what happens when Dean doesn't take one state? The person Dean puts in is purged after the defeat. That's when the Clinton people come back. Look at the Clinton years -- much of what was good for the Clintons hurt the Democrat party. This will be the same. In the short run, Hillary will be in a stronger position. In the long run, Democrats are doomed.

50 posted on 12/04/2003 7:47:40 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Political Junkie Too
Why would the party consider keeping Clinton/McAuliffe after that string of losses? What would an iron-clad fist around the reins of the DNC by Clinton/McAuliffe, in light of that record and with four more years of Bush, say to the masses within the Democrat party? When will they say that enough is enough?

Dean will put his own people in BEFORE his historic loss. After the loss comes the purge. That's when the Clinton people move back into power. It won't be good for the party in the long run, but it will be good for the Clintons in the short run. And in the short run, Democrats will fall for it. Enough won't be enough until they hit the wall. Then it will be too late...

51 posted on 12/04/2003 7:57:54 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: randita
Hillary Clinton shows up anywhere and she can rake in millions. No other Democrat, even her husband, can generate that fund raising prowess.



I see that and have to ask: Why? How? Even the mainstream media couldn't cover for her after 9/11. She is such a wholly dislikable creature, I just can NOT figure how how she could raise anything other than one's middle finger.
52 posted on 12/04/2003 8:11:06 PM PST by PeyersPatches (I am intestinal fortitude)
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To: PeyersPatches; GOPJ; Verginius Rufus; Political Junkie Too; vanguard1701; varon; randita; ...
"...I just can NOT figure how how she could raise anything other than one's middle finger..."

The klintoon mystique will die only when the media tire of hyping them, and cracks are starting to show.

The early, purloined, FBI files are pretty-much worn out by now, and there probably aren't enough people left to threaten anyway.

McAwful should have been fired long ago, and his continued presence is testimony to the stranglehold the klintoons hold on the DNC. He is a large part of their dirty-money base, and therefore necessary in their determined machinations to re-take the White House.

2006 poses a Giuliani problem. 2008 and 2012 are too far out to bet on, so 2004 is probably the Hildabeaste's best shot at the prize, but Dean is poised to rip Party control away from the toons. What to do? What to do?...

Well, I think the toons will revert to form and have Dean killed, and at the most fortuitous time for Hildabeaste to step in - 'For the good of the Nation'!

It's the Stalinist thing to do, and he'll just wind up as another headstone on the klintoon's 'Boot Hill'! The number of dead people swirling around them defies all logic, but not reason. Like the true Marxists that they are, they will do ANYTHING to return to power. Watch it happen as Dean grows stronger................FRegards

53 posted on 12/04/2003 10:03:08 PM PST by gonzo ("Felix Navidad!".........................How-in-hell did my cat get a boat, dammit!?!..........)
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To: gonzo
Like the true Marxists that they are, they will do ANYTHING to return to power. Watch it happen as Dean grows stronger...

And then watch them try to pin it on the Bush Administration.

-PJ

54 posted on 12/04/2003 11:09:00 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
In other words, what are the downline ramifications?

You have to throw logic out the window when considering how Democrats will react. For Democrats, results do not matter--only good intentions.

McAuliffe, Pelosi, Daschle, etc. had the INTENTION of winning, but the fact that they didn't is not their fault--it's someone else's fault. And the Democrat sheeple will buy that argument.

You and I live in the real world where actions have consequences, but Democrats do not hold their leaders responsible for anything. It's my opinion that if Dean loses and loses badly, all the blame will be laid at his feet and the party will head ever more directly to Hillary (and Bill). Who else are they going to turn to?

That makes absolutely NO sense to you and me, but hardly anything Democrats do ever makes sense to me.

55 posted on 12/05/2003 6:07:00 AM PST by randita
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To: vanguard1701; Tumbleweed_Connection; princess leah; Howlin; nutmeg; GSWarrior; RJCogburn; ...
If Clinton had stepped aside during impeachment, Gore would be President today.

The only party the Clintons helped in their eight years was the GOP. Look at the statistics. They were a windfall for us.

If Clark wins, he takes Hillary as his VP, it's a Clinton win. They keep McAwful and the party strings.

If Dean gets wins, the Clintons lose power for a few months, then ride back on a white horse after the worst presidential defeat in history. Again, a Clinton win.

The basic premise is: what's good for the Clinton's is good for the Clinton's. The democrats got carved into special interest groups with no cohesive binding philosophy beyond the outstretched hand (feed me, feed me money). They're ripe for political manipulation. And the best manipulators are: the Clintons.

Why would the party consider keeping Clinton/McAuliffe after that string of losses? What would an iron-clad fist around the reins of the DNC by Clinton/McAuliffe, in light of that record and with four more years of Bush, say to the masses within the Democrat party? When will they say that enough is enough? -PJ

56 posted on 12/05/2003 7:39:49 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: GOPJ
she'll never agree to vp ... her ego continues to grow with a red doppler shift
57 posted on 12/05/2003 1:32:07 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Cletus: "There's that girl what makes those squiggles into words.)
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To: Bob Ireland; B Ireland
Ka-blimp..............FRegards
58 posted on 12/06/2003 7:51:36 PM PST by gonzo ("Felix Navidad!".........................How-in-hell did my cat get a boat, dammit!?!..........)
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To: gonzo
***"Felix Navidad!"... How-in-hell did my cat get a boat***

You are PRICELESS! :-D

59 posted on 12/07/2003 3:30:33 PM PST by Bob Ireland
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