AIDS Activists Blast Vatican's Stance on Condoms

Reuters News ^ | December 2, 2003 | Philip Pullella

[NYer]

Catholics for a Free Choice, an independent organization, launched a global campaign called "Good Catholics Use Condoms."

Catholics for a Free Choice (CFFC)Promotes artificial contraceptive "rights," including abortion. Their focus is the "intersection of Catholic teaching and public policy." Bishop Bruskewitz excommunicated those that belong to this group in his Diocese. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal*. They have been condemned by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (NCCB).

* Catholic Organizations for Renewal (COR)

Not an organization per se, but a forum where many dissenting organizations plot their attack on the teachings of Jesus' Church. Their proclaimed mission is:

• a coalition of Catholic groups, inspired by Vatican II, [an indicator of the modernist "spirit of Vatican II" - see one member below with that name]
• to further the reform and renewal of the Catholic Church, and [Martin Luther also "reformed" the church and established a church of man based on his personal beliefs - all heretics have done so in the past. Why is COR any different?]
• to bring about a world of justice and peace, reflecting the sacredness of all creation." [sacred creation is a pagan belief; true peace and justice result from following God's teachings, not opposing them]

The following groups are part of this JUDAS forum.

Association of Pittsburgh Priests
Association For the Rights of Catholics in the Church
Call To Action
CTA (Call To Action) Baltimore
CTA (Call To Action) New Jersey
Call To Action of Northern Virginia
Catholics For Free Choice
Catholics for the Spirit of Vatican II
Catholics of Vision/Canada
Catholics Speak Out / Quixote Center
Celibacy Is the Issue
Coalition of Concerned Canadian Catholics
CORPUS
CORPUS Baltimore
Dignity/USA
Federation of Christian Ministries
Fellowship of Southern Illinois Laity (FOSIL)
Friends of Creation Spirituality
FutureChurch
Good Tidings
National Coalition of American Nuns
New Ways Ministry
North Dakota Peace Coalition
Pathfinder Renewal Weekend
Pax Christi
Promises
Renewal Coordinating Community
Romero Institute
Save Our Sacrament (SOS)/Annulment Reform
Women's Ordination Conference

[NYer]

In his message for World AIDS Day, Cardinal Barragan made a clear reference to condoms, saying information campaigns should not be "based on policies that foster immoral and hedonistic lifestyles and behavior, favoring the spread of the evil."

ABSTINENCE SAVES LIVES!

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list

[mikeb704]

Sorting out the facts on AIDS

[Alberta's Child]

By not supporting the use of condoms and not advocating the use of condoms as one of the preventative measures I would say that the Catholic Church is helping the spread of a deadly disease," Morten Rostrup, president of the international council of Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), said in Nairobi.

I don't think so.

Criticizing the Catholic Church in this regard is sort of like criticizing General Motors for failing to build a car that can be driven safely by a motorist with a blood-alcohol level of .20%.

[mware]

even some quarters of the Catholic Church criticized the Vatican on Tuesday for defending its opposition to condoms.

Catholic for Free Choice has no affiliation with the Catholic Church

[jtminton]

Abstinence works every time it's tried. Not only for pregnancy, but AIDS, too.

[NYer]

Criticizing the Catholic Church in this regard is sort of like criticizing General Motors for failing to build a car that can be driven safely by a motorist with a blood-alcohol level of .20%

Good point!

[UB355]

Thanks, my thoughts exactly

[Prolifeconservative]

I want ON your ping list!

[Hodar]

A previous article posted here detailed discussions within the church, where church officials were telling MARRIED women, who had HIV+ husbands, NOT to use condoms. The statements were that (paraphrasing) 'latex condoms have pores 10,000 times the size of the AIDS virus, thus condoms offer no protection from AIDS'. This statement is absurdly false, and the church's false information 'will' (as in definitely) cause the needless deaths of thousands.

Condom use is not reserved only to the single people, and now condom use is no longer reserved for the purpose of birth control. Condoms are a form of protection (or saving your life) while partaking in sexual relations within a marriage.

[Salvation]

Thanks for that reference list!

A bump for all life.

And a question for these questionable Catholics?

Exactly why did God create man -- male and female?

[Salvation]

Abstinence works every time it's tried. Not only for pregnancy, but AIDS, too.

Same it again!

[eastsider]

"It's very disappointing because the Catholic Church's irrational stance on condoms undermines the very good work that the Catholic Church does with regards to caring for people with HIV...," said Nathan Geffen in South Africa.

True compassion for those with HIV never entails caring for their physical needs at the expense of their spiritual needs.

What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self? (Lk 9:25)

[LetsRok]

If everyone with AiDS were quarrantined, then condoms would not be needed.

[Alberta's Child]

It seems to me that a married woman with a husband who is HIV+ has bigger problems than the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is simply making a very direct, relevant point -- in a scenario like the one you mentioned, abstinence is the only way to prevent transmission of the disease. Condoms may reduce the odds of transmission, but they don't prevent it.

[Unam Sanctam]

Catholic for Free Choice has no affiliation with the Catholic Church

I also heard that they are heavily funded by the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations and other left-wing non-Catholic organizations.

[Hodar]

While I do not contest the fact that condoms both reduce the chance of HIV transmission and act as a form of birth control; I do take issue with deliberate lies passed off as fact. Telling a congregation in a country ravaged by poverty, and afflicted with AIDS that condoms have NO effect on transmission is irresponsible.

It would appear that the chruch would be content to have AIDS spread through families, and HIV+ babies born; as that will be the garanteed result, should the congregation follow the instructions from the clergy.

[Alberta's Child]

Telling a congregation in a country ravaged by poverty, and afflicted with AIDS that condoms have NO effect on transmission is irresponsible.

I agree. What should have been said is that the personal behavior that leads to the spread of AIDS in that country is one of the primary reasons why there is also widespread poverty in that country. Poverty isn't just an accident of circumstances -- it is usually a symptom of an underlying problem with personal behavior or inferior culture.

You might want to find that other article and post the link here, since we are discussing a comment that was not made in the article at the top of this thread and therefore cannot be substantiated here.

[CharacterCounts]

A previous article posted here detailed discussions within the church, where church officials were telling MARRIED women, who had HIV+ husbands, NOT to use condoms. The statements were that (paraphrasing) 'latex condoms have pores 10,000 times the size of the AIDS virus, thus condoms offer no protection from AIDS'. This statement is absurdly false, and the church's false information 'will' (as in definitely) cause the needless deaths of thousands.

Could you link the article or thread?

I would like to see it because I don't think the church has made such a statement.

Additionally, condoms may reduce the risk of AIDS transmission, however, this is meaningless. If they reduce the risk ro just 2% of unprotected sex, continous sex, with a condom, only delays the date of transmission it does not prevent it. In other words, if you keep indulging in behavior with a 2% risk factor each time you indulge, it is very likely your number will come up sooner or later.

[Hodar]

Could you link the article or thread?

No problem...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1001236/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1004364/posts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1465326.stm
http://www.cathnews.com/news/310/53.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

While I respect the church for recommending abstaining, to say that latex condoms are ineffectual against spreading AIDS is a bold faced lie. Condoms may be only ~2% effective; but seatbelts are far less effective in saving lives; yet only a fool would recommend never using one.