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To: AK2KX; archy; backhoe; Badray; Jack Black; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; cgk; clamper1797; ...
If they wait another generation the ones who remember freedom will all die off, and the ones who are left will be so brainwashed they'll turn in grandpa's guns voluntarily, (and later they'll get on the cattle trains when they are told to).

I don't think so. The sheep will always be sheep, so when the wolves begin to feed upon them, the sheep will for the most part only bleat and bleed, and scream and cry about how terribly unfair it all is.

Consider the example of the Finnish Civil War of 1918; only 4 months in length; but once it was done with, Finland's Reds were left to lick their wounds, most from behind barbed wire or in exile, and when the Soviet Union attacked Finland with a million and a half troops twenty-one years later, the Finns hunted those Reds down too, and again in four months time sent the half-million survivors back home with their tails between their legs wondering at their luck in remaining alive when two-thirds of their number did not.

And when in 1991 the Red flag of the Soviet Union came down, that of free Finland was still flying, and still flies. We've got a great deal to learn from our Finnish cousins, both in terms of methodology and motivation:

In Red-dominated areas, 1,649 people, mostly businessmen, independent farmers, and other members of the middle class were murdered for political reasons. In response, the Whites embarked on their own reign of terror, the White Terror, which proved much more ferocious than the Red Terror. First, there were reprisals against defeated Reds, in the form of mass executions of Red prisoners. These killings were carried on by local White commanders over the opposition of White leadership. At least 8,380 Reds were killed, more than half after the Whites' final victory. Another component of the White Terror was the suffering of the Reds imprisoned after the war. The Whites considered these Reds to be criminals and feared that they might start another insurrection. By May 1918, they had captured about 80,000 Red troops, whom they could neither house nor feed. Placed in a number of detention camps, the prisoners suffered from malnutrition and general neglect, and within a few months an estimated 12,000 of them had died. The third aspect of the White Terror was legal repression. As a result of mass trials, approximately 67,000 Reds were convicted of participating in the war, and of these 265 were executed; the remainder lost their rights of citizenship.

In only a few months, about 30,000 Finns perished, less than a quarter of them on the battlefield, the rest in summary executions and in detention camps. These deaths amounted to about 1 percent of the total population of Finland. By comparison, the bloodiest war in the history of the United States, the Civil War, cost the lives of about 2 percent of the population, but that loss was spread out over four years

The present population of the United States, per the 2000 census, was 281,421,906 on April 1, 2000. Figure 1% of that number would be around 3 million. I figure it'll take a little longer than for the Finns, around half a year to a year, depending on the time of year and a few other factors.

-archy-/-

133 posted on 12/03/2003 12:30:49 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: archy
Civil War-- Finland 1918!
BTW, and for informational purposes only, I note that the Civil War II list has been pulled...
139 posted on 12/03/2003 1:33:56 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the TrackBall into the Sunset...)
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To: archy
Thanks for the history lesson, archy. I'm reminded, though, of the aphorism, "One does not make history, one merely survives it".

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141 posted on 12/03/2003 4:08:04 AM PST by Joe Brower ("If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever." - G. Orwell)
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To: archy
Interesting bit about the Finnish civil war, archy. At least they knew what had to be done to those damnable Reds: summary execution, harsh imprisonment, and loss of citizenship rights.

I've said it before, and I say it again: Communists, in advocating the destruction of every basic human right enjoyed by others, forfeit their own humanity, and should be dealt with as such.

142 posted on 12/03/2003 4:27:55 AM PST by FierceDraka ("I AM NOT A NUMBER - I AM A FREE MAN!")
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To: archy
The big question in any American CWII is what will the foriegn involvement be. The overall wealth of the USA will attract the carion feeders and they will be quick to put in troops.

It may well be more bloody than Finland and I for one do not think it willbe another generation before it happens. The left will not wait.

160 posted on 12/03/2003 9:26:05 AM PST by harpseal (stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: archy
I think that U.S. geography and demographics will make any CW2 much more chaotic, and it will take on tremendously different characteristics in different areas.

I certainly would not want to be in a minority status within a gas tank drive of a major city, that's for sure. "Enclaves" of affluent whites will really pay the price.

163 posted on 12/03/2003 9:43:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: archy
Timely and excellent example...
I pray it never comes to that in America -- but if it must, that it comes in our time....

Our grandchildren must be spared from this madness of the left....

Semper Fi
201 posted on 12/03/2003 11:07:35 AM PST by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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