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DEMOCRAT DEBATE WATCH -- Dems Still Don’t Get It: . . . (RNC Research)
Republican National Committee ^ | 24 Nov 2003 | RNC Research

Posted on 11/24/2003 7:22:56 PM PST by PhiKapMom

DEMOCRAT DEBATE WATCH

Dems Still Don’t Get It: Oppose Prescription Drugs For Seniors, Mislead On President Bush’s Record, And Praise George Soros?

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KERRY AND EDWARDS MAKE DEBATE VIA SATELLITE BUT HAVE MISSED KEY MEDICARE VOTES CAMPAIGNING

Kerry Has Missed 35 Votes On The Medicare Prescription Drug Bill (S.1, CQ Vote #262: Prescription Drug Benefit - Passage, Passed 76-21: R 40-10; D 35-11; I 1-0, 6/27/03; S.1, CQ Vote #261: Prescription Drug Benefit - Means Test, Rejected 38-59: R 3-47; D 35-11; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #260: Prescription Drug Benefit - Alternative Plan, Rejected 21-75: R 20-29; D 1-45; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #259: Prescription Drug Benefit - Retiree Fallback Plan, Rejected 42-54: R 0-49; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #258: Prescription Drug Benefit - Medigap Policies, Rejected 43-55: R 1-50; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #257: Prescription Drug Benefit - Medicaid Coverage, Rejected 47-51: R 5-46; D 42-4; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #256: Prescription Drug Benefit - Immigrant Coverage, Rejected 33-65: R 32-19; D 1-45; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #255: Prescription Drug Benefit - Experimental Drug Coverage, Adopted 71-26: R 50-0; D 20-26; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #254: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Reduction, Rejected 39-59: R 0-51; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #253: Prescription Drug Benefit - Additional Disease Treatment, Agreed To 57-41: R 51-0; D 5-41; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #252: Prescription Drug Benefit - Alzheimer’s Subsidy, Adopted 98-0: R 51-0; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; CQ Vote #251: Prescription Drug Benefit - Asset Test, Adopted 69-29: R 22-29; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #250: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cancer Patient Coverage, Agreed To 54-44: R 51-0; D 3-43; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #249: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cancer Care, Adopted 97-1: R 50-1; D 46-0; I 1-0, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #248: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Advertisements, Rejected 39-59: R 0-51; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #247: Prescription Drug Benefit - Disability Services, Agreed To 50-48: R 48-3; D 2-44; I 0-1, 6/26/03; S.1, CQ Vote #246: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cost-Effectiveness Studies, Rejected 43-52: R 0-48; D 43-3; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #245: Prescription Drug Benefit - Durbin Substitute, Rejected 39-56: R 0-48; D 39-7; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #244: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Reduction, Rejected 39-56: R 0-49; D 39-6; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #243: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Advertisements, Rejected 26-69: R 0-49; D 26-19; I 0-1, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #242: Prescription Drug Benefit - Health Centers, Adopted 94-1: R 48-1; D 45-0; I 1-0, 6/25/03; S.1, CQ Vote #241: Prescription Drug Benefit - Employer Compensation, Rejected 41-55: R 0-50; D 41-4; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #240: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Cost Coverage, Rejected 41-54: R 0-49; D 41-4; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #239: Prescription Drug Benefit - Benefit Availability, Rejected 41-54: R 1-48; D 40-5; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #238: Prescription Drug Benefit - Two-Year Fallback Plan, Agreed To 51-45: R 48-2; D 2-43; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #237: Prescription Drug Benefit - Congressional Coverage, Adopted 93-3: R 50-0; D 42-3; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #236: Prescription Drug Benefit - Cost Sharing Extension, Agreed To 54-42: R 50-0; D 3-42; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #235: Prescription Drug Benefit - Canadian Price Equity, Agreed To 66-31: R 51-0; D 14-31; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #234: Prescription Drug Benefit - Open Enrollment Period, Agreed To 55-42: R 51-0; D 3-42; I 1-0, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #233: Prescription Drug Benefit - Third-Party Coverage, Agreed To 52-43: R 49-0; D 3-42; I 0-1, 6/24/03; S.1, CQ Vote #232: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Importation, Adopted 62-28: R 21-25; D 40-3; I 1-06/20/03; S.1, CQ Vote #230: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Patents, Adopted 94-1: R 50-1; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #229: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Cap, Rejected 39-56: R 0-51; D 39-4; I 0-1, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #228: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Cost Disclosure, Adopted 95-0: R 51-0; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #227: Prescription Drug Benefit - Benefit Within Medicare, Rejected 37-58: R 0-51; D 37-6; I 0-1, 6/18/03)

Edwards Missed 5 Votes On Medicare Prescription Drug Bill. (S.1, CQ Vote #232: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Importation, Adopted 62-28: R 21-25; D 40-3; I 1-06/20/03; S.1, CQ Vote #230: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Patents, Adopted 94-1: R 50-1; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #229: Prescription Drug Benefit - Premium Cap, Rejected 39-56: R 0-51; D 39-4; I 0-1, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #228: Prescription Drug Benefit - Drug Cost Disclosure, Adopted 95-0: R 51-0; D 43-0; I 1-0, 6/19/03; S.1, CQ Vote #227: Prescription Drug Benefit - Benefit Within Medicare, Rejected 37-58: R 0-51; D 37-6; I 0-1, 6/18/03)

DEAN MISLEADS ON MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL

Dean: “Some People Aren’t Going To Get Any Help At All Until 2006.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

Starting In 2004, All Seniors Would Benefit From Immediate Savings Through Medicare-Endorsed Prescription Drug Discount Card, With Average Savings Of 10 To 25 Percent Off Retail Prices Of Most Drugs. (U.S. Department Of Health And Human Services, Fact Sheet, 11/18/03)

DEAN MISLEADS ON MEDICAID CUTS IN VERMONT

Dean: “We Did Not, Of Course, Cut Medicaid.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

In His 2002 Budget, Dean Proposed $16.5 Million In Medicaid Cuts Affecting Tens Of Thousands. “Tens of thousands of Vermonters would see their state health care benefits rolled back or cut off completely under Gov. Howard Dean’s proposed budget, which seeks to wring $16.5 million in savings from Medicaid. … All Medicaid patients would see some benefits curtailed because the state would no longer pay for dentures, chiropractic, or podiatry services, and would limit prescription drug choices more severely.” (David Mace, “Medicaid Cuts To Affect Thousands,” The [Barre-Montpelier] Times-Argus, 1/22/02)

* Dean Threatened: “We’re Going To Cut The Hell Out Of … Medicaid.” (Ross Sneyd, “Schools, Medicaid On Chopping Block,” The Rutland Herald/Associated Press, 11/15/01)

* Rutland Herald Called Dean’s Budget “Harsh Medicine” That Would “Put Care Out Of Reach” For Some. “Gov. Howard Dean has outlined a series of steps for curbing the escalating costs of the state’s Medicaid programs for low-income Vermonters. … It is harsh medicine. … Some of Dean’s proposals could put care out of reach for some people. For example, he is proposing that participants in the state’s prescription drug program should pay half the costs of long-term drugs. That requirement would create a new burden on low-income residents … Even if instituting a certain, reasonable level of co-payments is justified, adding to the burdens of the poor in a depressed economy is not the direction for the state to be headed.” (Editorial, “Harsh Medicine,” The Rutland Herald, 1/26/02)

DEMOCRAT PREZ CANDIDATES ATTACK MEDICARE
BILL, BUT 22 SENATE DEMOCRATS VOTE FOR IT

22 Democrats And 1 Independent Voted For Cloture On Medicare Bill:

Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Miller (D-GA)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Wyden (D-OR)

(H.R. 1, Roll Call Vote #457: Passed 70-29: R 47-3; D 22-26; I 1-0, 11/24/03, Kerry, Edwards, And Lieberman Voted Nay)

CLARK CALLS GEORGE SOROS “RESPONSIBLE” AND “GOOD”

Clark At MSNBC Debate: “I haven’t seen everything George Soros has written, but he’s a responsible man. He’s done a lot of good in the world. I’ve worked with his projects in Eastern Europe.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

But Soros Compared President Bush To Nazis. TOM BROKAW: “Let me read to you something that George Soros, the international financier said. He’s a great patron of the Democratic Party and has probably met with most of the candidates here. He said he thinks George Bush is a danger to - reminds him of what he was hearing out of Nazi Germany when he was a youngster.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

Former Carter Cabinet Member Joseph Califano Called Soros “The Daddy Warbucks Of Drug Legalization.” (Joseph A. Califano Jr., Op-Ed, “Devious Efforts To Legalize Drugs,” The Washington Post, 12/4/96)

Soros Supports Reducing U.S. Sovereignty: Wrote that to preserve “our global open society,” the world needs “some global system of political decision-making” in which “the sovereignty of states must be subordinated to international law and international institutions.” (Matthew Rees, “Saving Capitalism From Soros,” The Ottawa Citizen, 12/9/98)

French Court Convicted Soros Of Insider Trading, Fined Him $2.3 Million. (John Tagliabue, “Soros Is Found Guilty In France On Charges Of Insider Trading,” The New York Times, 12/21/02)

DEAN FLIP-FLOP-FLIPS ON NAFTA

Now Dean Admits He Supported NAFTA And We Should Not Get Out Of Agreement. “Many people supported NAFTA early on. I did. … The solution to global trade, I don’t believe, is to get rid of the WTO and NAFTA.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

Candidate Dean, 2003: “Where Do You Get This ‘I’m A Strong Supporter Of NAFTA’?” “Where do you get this ‘I’m a strong supporter of NAFTA’? I never did anything about it. I didn’t vote on it. I didn’t march down in the street demanding NAFTA. I simply wrote a letter supporting NAFTA. … I have no problem with you asking about it but don’t put me in a position, which most journalists do, including you, of ‘you are a strong supporter of NAFTA and now it’s not true.’” (ABC News’ “This Week With George Stephanopoulos,” 9/14/03)

Governor Dean, 1995: “I Was A Very Strong Supporter Of NAFTA.” DEAN: “I don’t think it matters to the state government - governors. I happen to think that it’s a good policy. I think that this is a- I was a very strong supporter of NAFTA. I believe it’s going to create jobs in the United States of America, and to let our trading partner go down the tubes I think would be a big mistake.” (ABC News’ “This Week With David Brinkley,” 1/29/95)

CLARK WRONG ON PRESIDENT NOT VISITING BEREAVED

Clark At MSNBC Debate: “We have an American President who visits the families of bereaved Britons and won’t visit our own families in this country. What is this coming to?” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

White House Spokesperson Claire Buchan: “[T]he President will express the thanks of our nation to those men and women and their families, and what each of them is doing to defend and protect America. He will then meet with families of fallen soldiers privately.” (White House Press Briefing, 11/24/03)

CLARK CLAIMS HE’S BEEN CONSISTENT ON WAR --
HOWEVER HE FLIP-FLOPPED ON IRAQ AUTHORIZATION

Clark At MSNBC Debate: “My record has been very consistent. I’ve got 250,000 words in print. I warned against giving George Bush a blank check in the summer and fall of 2002. I warned against the course he was taking in the Christmas period of 2002. I warned against it after Christmas.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

October 2002: Clark Indicated His Support For Use Of Force Resolution And Said He Would Advise Congressmen To Vote For It. “Retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Wednesday he supports a congressional resolution that would give President Bush authority to use military force against Iraq, although he has reservations about the country’s move toward war. Clark … endorsed Democrat Katrina Swett in the 2nd District race. He said if she were in Congress this week, he would advise her to vote for the resolution, but only after vigorous debate.” (Stephen Frothingham, “Gen. Clark Supports Swett, Raises Concerns About Iraq Policy,” The Associated Press, 10/9/02)

One Day After Becoming Candidate, Clark Said He Would Have Voted For Use Of Force Resolution. “‘At the time, I probably would have voted for it [Use of Force Authorization], but I think that’s too simple a question,’ General Clark said. A moment later, he said: ‘I don’t know if I would have or not. I’ve said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position - on balance, I probably would have voted for it.’ At one point, [Clark’s Press Secretary Mary] Jacoby interrupted the interview … to make certain that General Clark’s views on the original Iraq resolution were clear. ‘I want to clarify - we’re moving quickly here,’ Ms. Jacoby said. ‘You [Clark] said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution.’ ‘Right,’ General Clark responded. ‘Exactly.’” (Adam Nagourney, “Clark Says He Would Have Voted For War,” The New York Times, 9/19/03)

Two Days After Becoming Candidate, Clark Said He “Would Never Have Voted For War.” “‘I never would have voted for war,’ Clark … said during an interview with The Des Moines Register. Reports published Friday quoted Clark as saying he probably would have supported the resolution.” (Thomas Beaumont, “Clark Says He Wouldn’t Have Voted For War,” The Des Moines Register, 9/20/03)

EDWARDS MISLEADS ON BUSH TAX CUTS

Edwards At MSNBC Debate: “George Bush… Only Wants To Create Wealth For Those Who Already Have It.” (MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Des Moines, IA, 11/24/03)

Study Shows Taxpayers Will Get Bigger Refunds, Middle Class Families Benefit Most From Bush Tax Cut. “Taxpayers’ refund checks will increase nearly 27% to an average $2,500 per family early next year, according to new forecasts from tax experts and economists … [A]bout 8 million families who did not receive refunds this year will likely get them in 2004, says tax software publisher Petz Enterprises. It estimates refunds for the tax season will go to 108 million households vs. 100 million this year and will total $227 billion. That’s up 38% from 2003.” (Barbara Hagenbaugh, “Tax Refunds Expected To Jump 27%,” USA Today, 11/14/03)

* “[I]t will ultimately benefit the 9 million Americans who are out of work.” (Barbara Hagenbaugh, “Tax Refunds Expected To Jump 27%,” USA Today, 11/14/03)

* “The biggest winners … will be the approximately 10 million married couples with a combined income of $46,700 to $56,800. Those couples dropped from the 27% bracket to the 15% bracket. Other winners include parents who had their first child in 2003. They will be eligible for a $1,000 credit. Married couples may also receive benefits. (Barbara Hagenbaugh, “Tax Refunds Expected To Jump 27%,” USA Today, 11/14/03)

Boston Globe Shows Middle Class Benefited From Tax Cuts. “Fully 31.5 percent of joint filers (married couples) got a tax break of between $2,001 and $5,000, with an average tax cut of $3,096. Another 18 percent of joint filers saw their tax burden fall by between $1,201 and $2,000 with an average reduction of $1,622. In all, 54 percent of joint filers got a tax break of between $1,001 and $5,000. When it comes to families with children, 40 percent got a tax break ranging from $2,001 to $5,000 (average: $3,151), while another 30 percent got a tax cut of $1,201 to $2,000 (average: $1,624). … Thus a candidate who favors the complete repeal of the Bush tax cuts finds himself advocating significant tax increases for millions of Americans who aren’t likely to consider themselves among the very wealthy.” (Scot Lehigh, Op/Ed, “The Democrats’ Tax Cut Gamble,” The Boston Globe, 10/29/03)


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To: deport
Its board includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, Morton Abramowitz, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State; Wesley Clark, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander for Europe; and Richard Allen, former U.S. National Security Adviser

Thanks for this info

Nice list of names on that board

61 posted on 11/24/2003 8:21:35 PM PST by Mo1
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To: StriperSniper
He mumbled something on the Chris Matthews show about Terry Mcaulliffe did'nt catch it in time. Whats really interesting is that during the commerical Jim Carvile was in a democratic ad begging for money to defeat Bush.
62 posted on 11/24/2003 8:22:46 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: All
Well, I took a night off and watched a movie with my husband, so I really appreciate the screen captures and lay-by-play of tonight's debate. Thanks to all of you!

I see that Dean and Kerry are running answer ads to the RNC ad, and as usual they are not going to be effective.

63 posted on 11/24/2003 8:26:14 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: goodnesswins
They would have to pay me big bucks to watch these RAT candidates debate! I put them on mute when they come on TV one at a time!
64 posted on 11/24/2003 8:28:02 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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To: Dolphy
It is really hard for me to believe that he would exploit that background and its honor by weaving lie after lie.

That is exactly what bothers me as well! He deserves "zero" respect!

65 posted on 11/24/2003 8:29:49 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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To: PhiKapMom
I am glad to see the RNC is fighting back and not letting the Dems to get away with their outrageous lies, for a change.

If you look at who Clark's "mentors" are -- Bill and Hillary, why are you surprised?
66 posted on 11/24/2003 8:30:21 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: woodyinscc
Above my pay grade as well. The two of them give Rhodes Scholar a new meaning! What an embarrassment Clark is to have worn the uniform of the US Army.
67 posted on 11/24/2003 8:31:29 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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To: FairOpinion
Guess when Clark said Pres Bush had not met any of the families, I was taken back -- that was pretty low even for that jerk. Should have expected it though since I am sure he is puppeting what Hillary has told him.
68 posted on 11/24/2003 8:33:05 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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69 posted on 11/24/2003 8:37:06 PM PST by ElCapitanAmerica
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To: PhiKapMom

70 posted on 11/24/2003 8:38:17 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet
Patsy Buchannon is praising Dean now.
71 posted on 11/24/2003 8:45:11 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: prairiebreeze
Frank Luntz (or whatever that focus group guy's name is) watched the debate with Democrats. That group liked Dean best, Clark second. The big "discovery" was that the message that Bush is selling the country out to special interest groups hit strongest with the voters he was with.
72 posted on 11/24/2003 8:45:43 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: Dolphy
some strange people that Luntz had in his little group,very angry.
73 posted on 11/24/2003 8:48:43 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: Dolphy
It is really hard for me to believe that he(Clark) would exploit that background and its honor by weaving lie after lie.

I believe General Shelton has made reference to Clarks character in these matters.

74 posted on 11/24/2003 8:48:49 PM PST by mylife
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To: PhiKapMom
Did you catch the opening slam on Clark?

He was introduced on camera to today's debate as "former General Wesley Clark".

"Former" is when you've been fired, as Clark was fired from NATO for trying to order our guys to fire at the Russians (Pristina, 1999).

"Retired" is when you haven't been fired. Of course, since it was a studio audience of Dems, no one so much as gasped.

75 posted on 11/24/2003 8:52:43 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
good catch!
76 posted on 11/24/2003 8:54:50 PM PST by mylife
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To: linn37
some strange people that Luntz had in his little group,very angry.

Yes, that was quite a strange angry group. Of course they have the Dems telling them that the Medicare bill is going to make the drug companies money. As I heard someone say in Congress, that's like saying we shouldn't have food stamps because the grocers are going to make money, or housing subsidies because construction companies might benefit.

It's funny the Dems are trying to raise money by running ads on MSNBC...nobody watches MSNBC.

77 posted on 11/24/2003 9:00:47 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: PhiKapMom
Rats held a debate tonight? Who knew or cared? LOL!
78 posted on 11/24/2003 9:03:36 PM PST by onyx
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To: Dolphy
http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00010209.html an interesting website where you can comment on the DNC's efforts,you will need to register first.
79 posted on 11/24/2003 9:07:17 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: linn37
Thanks, I'll check that out.
80 posted on 11/24/2003 9:08:50 PM PST by Dolphy
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