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Evangelicals outraged over Bush's 'same god' remark
WorldNetDaily ^ | November 24, 2003 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 11/24/2003 9:53:14 AM PST by joesnuffy

Evangelicals outraged over Bush's 'same god' remark Christian leaders express dismay: 'He is commander in chief, not theologian in chief'

Posted: November 24, 2003 11:26 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over President George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

The statement was made Thursday, during the joint press conference in England with Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted that Bush has frequently expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty," but questioned whether the Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty" as the president and other Christians do.

"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

Bush's equivalence of the Judeo-Christian and Muslim gods brought reactions of shock and dismay from Christians in the U.S. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the president "is simply mistaken."

According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

Blair avoided answering the same question, replying with a general statement about freedom.

Bush, a practicing Christian who frequently talks publicly about the importance to him of his faith, nevertheless has repeatedly defended Islam as a religion of peace, ever since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attack on the U.S. by 19 Islamist radicals.

The Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, also contradicted the president in a press statement, reported the Post. "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health," said Haggard. "The Muslim god appears to value the opposite. The personalities of each god are evident in the cultures, civilizations and dispositions of the peoples that serve them. Muhammad's central message was submission; Jesus' central message was love. They seem to be very different personalities."

Despite their strenuous objections, neither Land nor Haggard thinks the president's statement will cost him votes: "This president has earned a lot of wiggle room among evangelicals," said Land, according to the Post. "If he had said that Islam is on a par with Christianity, it would be a more serious case of heartburn. This is just indigestion."

But according to Gary Bauer, former presidential candidate and president of American Values, Bush's comment is "not helpful to the president. Since everybody agrees he's not a theologian, he would be much better advised to punt when he gets that kind of question."


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To: joesnuffy
"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

But,......BUT,.......BBBBUUUTTT!

The 'same' god does NOT give Americans,.....the tolerance of the FREEDOM of "Speech".

/sarcasm

21 posted on 11/24/2003 10:09:43 AM PST by maestro
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To: joesnuffy
Ever read "The Last Battle" in C.S. Lewis' Narnia series? In that book, a prince of an Arab-like people worships "Tash," their god. The real "Tash" is actually a repulsive and destructive demon, but when the prince meets the real God, Aslan, he believes he is face-to-face with Tash, because this is the God he has worshipped, loved, and honored his whole life. The prince needed to learn that the true name of the God he worships is Aslan, and not "Tash."

I think what President Bush believes is that there are many sincere Muslims who wish to worship God, and who hunger to know and please Him. What they don't know is that this God in their hearts is Jehovah, and His Son, Jesus Christ. I'm sure that Bush believes that if the Middle East is democratized, economic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of association, and religious freedom come with the package, that freedom in the Middle East will open the opportunity for sincere Muslims to consider the claims of the true God, and they will respond, because their hearts are inclined to worship the true God, and they will turn to Him when they finally realize that God's name is not "Allah."

22 posted on 11/24/2003 10:11:16 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: U S Army EOD
"Well get over it, we do whorship the same God."

Wrong. See #3. The Irish arguement makes no sense at all. They may be killing each other over their respective forms of Christianity, among other things, but I've yet to hear of any Irish plan, mandated to them by their god, to kill all the infidels of the world. Bush needs to come up for air and see this perverse religion for what it is. Peace my arse - they'd slit his throat in a heartbeat, and yours and mine as well.

23 posted on 11/24/2003 10:11:23 AM PST by beelzepug ("As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!!!")
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To: joesnuffy
For the evangelical simpletons:

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all rooted in the same theological entity, the God of Abraham.

This is a historical fact. It doesn't mean all 3 monotheisms ascribe the same properties, "character" or value system to God or ever did.

My own theory on Islam is that Mohammed wanted to steal the power that he saw God held over Jews and Christians, so he decided to steal God Himself in creating his cult.


24 posted on 11/24/2003 10:12:02 AM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: will1776
Does God have a mouth?

Thorah, Bible and Koran were holy interpretations written by human beings.

And if God exists, why should he be different from one nation to the next, from one person to the next?

Who are you to judge?
25 posted on 11/24/2003 10:12:04 AM PST by icydanger
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To: dwilli
No, the Na. Association of Evangelicals is the organization of mainline, mainly conservative, evangelical denominations. Most don't believe in miracles.
26 posted on 11/24/2003 10:13:22 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: joesnuffy
I am evangelical, and I am not "outraged".
27 posted on 11/24/2003 10:13:38 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: joesnuffy
I'm not a theologian (sp?) but thought I'd mention, many people of many faiths believe that God, Allah, Bhuddah, etc are all the same eternal being. There are many books and many paths to the same One.
28 posted on 11/24/2003 10:13:40 AM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: U S Army EOD
We do not worship the same God.

Christians, you might remember, are trinitarian. We believe that Jesus Christ is God. Ask any muslim, and they will tell you they don't believe the same.

But, you say, "Jews will also say the same; that Jesus is not God." However, Jesus was himself a Jew, and more fully explained God to his people. The Jewish faith has an incomplete understanding of God.

The Islamic faith, on the other hand, has had someone invent an entire book called the Koran that pulls a few clippings from the Jewish and Christian scriptures.

In short, they have invented a god out of the hodgepodge that was mohammed's mind.

Christians: The Trinity is God. (Father, Son, Holy Spirit)
Jews: Yhwh is God. (Incomplete revelation)
Muslims: Allah is God. (Invented from the mind of mohammed.)

29 posted on 11/24/2003 10:13:44 AM PST by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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To: joesnuffy; All
Before everybody gets their panties in a wad .. consider this: When the Arab nations began with Ishmael, those tribes were well aware that GOD was GOD - the GOD of Abraham. They don't know HIM personally, nor do they accept Jesus as their Savior (and neither do the Jews), but they know HIM as Abraham's GOD, and Abraham's GOD IS OUR GOD.

Just because some members of the Arab nations have perverted the worship of GOD to include killing of innocent people, doesn't mean the GOD WE WORSHIP doesn't exist.

It's ignorant to get upset about this!!
30 posted on 11/24/2003 10:13:52 AM PST by CyberAnt (America .. the LIGHT of the World)
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To: r9etb
Haggard, Bauer, Land, and the like would be a lot more effective if they focused on our fallen nature, rather than on trying to do the impossible by saying Who and What God is (and is not).

Exactly! Who are they to be telling the rest of us what to think as well? Less then impressed with this group!

31 posted on 11/24/2003 10:14:00 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1)
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To: joesnuffy
The one and only Savior for Christians is Jesus Christ. It is thru our Faith and His Grace that we get to Heaven. And that Gate is narrow; and FEW shall pass thru that gate.

All others are going to Hell... no ifs ands or buts. There is only one God and He is exclusive not inclusive.

I believe Muslims are encouraged by their Mulas to kill Christians if we try save their Heathen souls. George really blew this one.

32 posted on 11/24/2003 10:14:11 AM PST by Luke (u)
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To: U S Army EOD
We do NOT all worship the same God, for goodness sake. Christians worship a triune God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The Islams place Jesus Christ incarnate on about the same level as Mohammed and Rasputin, bearded "holy men" and "prophets" wandering the deserts and temples in religious history.

Leni

33 posted on 11/24/2003 10:14:13 AM PST by MinuteGal (Start saving your pesos for "FReeps Ahoy 3" in spring. Give each other a cruise for Christmas!)
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To: joesnuffy
Saying Muslims do not woship God in the way he wishes is very different from saying they worship a different God.

You might as well say Jews do not worship the same God.
oth Christianity and Islam are outgrowths of Judaism.

So9

34 posted on 11/24/2003 10:14:26 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Effing the Ineffable.)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Judaism certainly interprets God differently than Christians do

That's why the vast majority of the Jewish religionists missed their Messiah when he arrived 2000 years ago.

35 posted on 11/24/2003 10:14:32 AM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: My2Cents
God's name not Allah?
So what do you suggest as name in arabic?
2cents maybe?

Why would the "God of the Christians" be better then the "God of the MUslims"?

36 posted on 11/24/2003 10:15:02 AM PST by icydanger
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To: will1776
Really? Isn't there a reason we're fighting fundamental Muslims instead of fundamental Christians?

Christians have a long history of murdering each other, too. Take a look at the wars between Catholics and Protestants as well between orthodox and heretic Christians sometime.

The Bible and the quran say two very different things, therefore they cannot possibly come from the mouth of the same God, who the Bible says is never changing.

Many people who read the Bible also believe that the Old Testament and the New Testament say two very different things and can not be talking about the same God. This point of view goes back to the earliest days of Christianity and you will notice that the Jews, who continue to follow only the Old Testament, have a very different interpretation of God than Christians do. Do you believe that Christians and Jews essentially worship the same God?

37 posted on 11/24/2003 10:15:23 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: U S Army EOD
Well get over it, we do whorship the same God.

Well no we don't

According to the Encyclopedia of Religion, Allah corresponded to the Babylonian god Baal, and Arabs knew of him long before Mohammed worshipped him as the supreme God. Before Islam the Arabs recognized many gods and goddesses, each tribe had their own deity. There were also nature deities. Allah was the god of the local Quarish tribe, which was Mohammed's tribe before he invented Islam to lead his people out of their polytheism. Allah was then known as the Moon God, who had 3 daughters who were viewed as intercessors for the people into Allah. Their names were Al-at, Al-uzza, and Al-Manat, which were three goddesses; the first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was the chief God of the Kaaba among the other 360 deities. Hubal was a statue likeness of a man whose body was made of red precious stones whose arms were made of gold. (Reference Islam George Braswell Jr.)

Is Allah the name of God?

38 posted on 11/24/2003 10:15:48 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: joesnuffy
"Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over President George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God."

My God won't reward me in Heaven with 72 horny women, nor will He reward me for blowing myself up and taking innocent civilians with me. My God does not want me to subjugate my wife to the burqua, or whip her when her ankles show. My God does not want me to force my faith on others, nor does He tell me to hate my neighbor who is not a Christian.

My God is the Triune God, the Holy Trinity, Whose only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, came into the world the save me and you. To the Muslim, Jesus was a mere man who died long ago and remains dead. To the Christian, He is God.

Christians do not worhip the same God that Muslims do. The god of Islam is an idol, a false god, a cruel god who keeps his people laboring in the Dark Ages, and wandering in the arid desert sands and the cold barren, mountians. The god of Islam keeps his followers in a perpetual state of poverty, turmoil, bloodshed and warfare, as we see in the Sudan, Rwanda, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Indonesia, Yemen, Libya, and now they even rise their discontent heads in Christian nations like the Philippines.

39 posted on 11/24/2003 10:15:52 AM PST by TheCrusader
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To: will1776
Well that certainly settles it.

Freepers have explained something to us before many times, so we need to stop discussing it.

One question, though, if 2 freepers differ on a matter of faith, something held passionately (e.g., transubstantiation), how will we settle it?
40 posted on 11/24/2003 10:16:04 AM PST by dmz
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