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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 24-30
Various | November 23, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/23/2003 7:28:36 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 10 - November 24-30)
Link back to thread 9 (Nov. 19-23)

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Contained in Thread 9:

Carla Iyers testimony, Terri's 1990 physical exam and treatment plan, contact information for Judges Demers, Greer and Baird, judicial misconduct and how to report it, address to send cards for Terri's birthday, contact information for Bernie McCabe, link to friend of the court brief filed on behalf of Florida legislature, police report following Terri's collapse and Michael Schiavo: Profile of a Sociopath.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

This thread will stay up through next Sunday. I will be in Kentucky for Thanksgiving, but I will still be able to check in with y'all, just not as often.

A reminder: please do not post personal information on the public forum. We have lots of folks on scene down in Florida and we don't want them having any problems with the death squad.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Appeals Court Overturns Stay, Lawsuit Against Terri's Law Proceeds

Michael: Block Bone Scan Showing Possible Abuse of Terri Schiavo

Court lifts stay in Schiavo - Bush battle

Governor Seeks New Trial Over Brain Damaged Woman's Wishes

Governor Jeb Bush Seeks Full, Fair Hearing to Defend Terri's Law

Where did word "vegetative" come from, anyway? That's a loaded term that devalues human life.

Update on Terri's Law

Judge in Terri's Law Case Refuses to Step Down Despite Possible Bias

It's Not Only About Terri Schiavo

Behind Scenes: How Terri Schiavo was saved ( ????? )



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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To: pollywog; sweetliberty; nicmarlo
Just an idea for the balloon send...

How about printing up a very brief intro to the Terri Schiavo case, along with a pointer to the Terri's Fight website and possibly Free Republic? It could be done on half a page. Attach them to the balloon string. Might generate some interest from those who find the balloons later.

21 posted on 11/23/2003 9:31:53 PM PST by FatherOfLiberty (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: FatherOfLiberty
Good idea.
22 posted on 11/23/2003 9:42:37 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Orlando
Your post#523>Remember it was Saturday night, and I wonder if it was the full mooon too?<

2/25/90 - New Moon


23 posted on 11/23/2003 9:44:21 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: Chocolate Rose
Say goodnight, CR.
24 posted on 11/23/2003 9:46:26 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: Chocolate Rose
Thank you, new moon.

btw, here's a nice good article by Jennifer King of Gopusa.

"Suspicious Circumstances: The Strange Case of Terri Schiavo"


http://gopusa.com/jenniferking/jk_1124.shtml


**Thank You Jennifer ***
25 posted on 11/23/2003 9:56:46 PM PST by Orlando (Contact the Florida Supreme Court at www.flcourts.org ((Save Terri))
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To: FatherOfLiberty
Just an idea for the balloon send...

How about printing up a very brief intro to the Terri Schiavo case, along with a pointer to the Terri's Fight website and possibly Free Republic? It could be done on half a page. Attach them to the balloon string. Might generate some interest from those who find the balloons later.

EXCELLENT idea FatherOfLiberty!!! Perhaps someone could send a " sample post" that we could print and add. We could put it in a plastic sandwich bag and then tie it on the end....I am thinking I will do this.

26 posted on 11/23/2003 10:00:50 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog
Brilliant idea!

Kinda short notice, but if someone could print terrisfight.org on balloons and ebay them, proceeds to the Foundation...?
27 posted on 11/23/2003 10:50:43 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Orlando
We could use a lot more articles like that! C'mon, all you writers who aren't peddling the Culture of Death, get on this case and dig into the real story.
28 posted on 11/23/2003 11:13:56 PM PST by T'wit
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To: All
I need to ask a question and at the moment I'm not sure if it was being talked about here or on one of the others posts. What was the final outcome of Judge J. Crockett Farnells ruling.? Will there be a depostion of the radiaologist or not?? If the judge did rule in favor of the deposition I think it would be nice for someone to post his e-mail address and we all thank him. We spam the ones who rule against Terri so we should praise Judge Farnell if he ruled in favor of her. Who knows he might be our Judge Sanders Saul that was so fair during the recount.
29 posted on 11/24/2003 12:25:09 AM PST by fiesti
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To: fiesti
Judge Farnell issued a stay and then less than an hour later he reversed himself. So yes, the deposition should have happened as scheduled. I believe it was scheduled for last Friday. (or thursday, not sure, I'm losing track of the days!)

30 posted on 11/24/2003 6:33:10 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Orlando
Posted with no comment.......


Published Monday, November 24, 2003
Money Ignited Schiavo Dispute
Court records show a clash rooted in promises of shared malpractice awards.

By WILLIAM R. LEVESQUE
St. Petersburg Times


Valentine's Day, 1993.

Michael Schiavo sat by his brain-damaged wife, Terri, at a Largo nursing home as he studied for college classes. Schiavo had brought two dozen roses not long after a jury in a medical malpractice case awarded the couple about $1 million.

Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, walked in. An argument started. With an exchange of heated words, some involving that money, Schiavo's close relationship with the Schindlers ended.

Today, Schiavo and the Schindlers are combatants in the best known right-to-die case in the nation. They are divided by their hopes of Schiavo's recovery and their beliefs of whether she should live or die. But court records show that the origins of that decade-old dispute involved something far less critical than Schiavo's life.

It involved money.

Testimony in the guardianship case from 1993 and 2000 shows that the original family split came, in part, because the

Schindlers thought their son-inlaw owed them more than $10,000 in living expenses and had reneged on a promise to share his malpractice cash.

"I think one might conclude looking at the facts that a possible motivation on the part of the Schindlers is revenge," said Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, referring to the Schindlers' opposition to Schiavo's decision to pull his wife's feeding tube. "I certainly hope that's not true."

Bob Schindler said Saturday that the initial argument was more about how Schiavo reneged on promises to pay for continued therapy for their daughter, not about payment to the Schindlers.

"Felos wants to make it look like a money issue," Schindler said. "Our motivation was to make sure Terri would get the proper care."

He points to a July 1993 letter he wrote to Schiavo, in which he pleads with him to honor a commitment to pay for Schiavo's continued care.

"Even if I'm as bad as (Felos) paints me, that's no excuse for not treating Terri," Schindler said.

Schiavo has said his wife would not want to be kept alive by artificial means. Her feeding tube was pulled for six days before unprecedented intervention by lawmakers forced doctors to reinsert it Oct. 21.

Schiavo, often accused by the Schindlers of wanting his wife dead for her share of malpractice money, refuses to comment.

Today, his wife's money is all but exhausted by the long legal fight.

Once, the Schindlers and Schiavo were close. So close, in fact, that they lived together after Schiavo collapsed in 1990 from a potassium imbalance that stopped her heart, depriving her brain of oxygen.

Together, the Schindlers and Schiavo shared in financial difficulties and in the unending work of caring for her.

In some ways, Schiavo was treated as a son. He once brought a girlfriend home to meet the Schindlers, seeking their approval, and said they had encouraged him to date.

"I think I said he deserved to start a new life," Bob Schindler said in testimony in 1993.

He said he hoped his son-inlaw eventually would divorce his wife and start a new life.

At the medical malpractice trial against doctors who treated Schiavo in 1992, Mary Schindler spoke with admiration about Schiavo's attentiveness to her disabled daughter.

"He's there every day," she said. "He is loving, caring. I don't know of any young boy that would be as attentive. . . . He's just been unbelievable. And I know without him there is no way I could have survived all this."

In a jury verdict in that suit, Schiavo received more than $700,000, which was set aside for her continued care. Her husband received $300,000 for loss of consortium.

The Schindlers told lawyers they thought their son-in-law would share his $300,000 with them. Through the years, they said, they helped him financially. The Schindlers said they were owed more than $10,000.

Bob Schindler later testified that he vividly recalled Schiavo promising to give half of anything he won in court.

"I said to him we have to get something because of my tax situation," Schindler testified.

Mary Schindler also testified: "Michael would always talk to me about that. We were all in this together. We all had financial problems. Michael, Bob -we all did. It was a very stressful time. It was a very financially difficult time. He used to say, `Don't worry, mom. If I ever get any money from the lawsuit, I'll help you and dad.' "

Schiavo denied making such promises.

The Valentine's Day argument erupted three months after the jury verdict. The Schindlers and Schiavo disagree on much of what was said.

Schiavo told lawyers that Bob Schindler entered the room and immediately asked about his share of the money.

Schiavo said he lied and told Schindler no one was getting any money because he had decided to funnel all of it into his wife's trust fund, where he couldn't get it.

According to Schiavo, Bob Schindler responded by pointing his finger at his daughter and saying, "How much money is she going to give me?"

In testimony, Schindler's account is different. He told the court that a few weeks before Valentine's Day, he had asked Schiavo if he remembered their "agreement" to share his part of the jury award. Schindler said Schiavo told him he'd get back to him on the matter, but never did.

Until Valentine's Day.

Schindler testified that he asked Schiavo: "Have you reconciled how we're going to settle this thing?"

When Schiavo told him that he planned to give all the money to the trust fund, Schindler said he responded: "Michael, you made an agreement with my wife and myself that you were going to share that money with us."

Schindler testified he also felt dissatisfied because he and his wife thought Schiavo was reneging on paying for continued therapy for their daughter.

The Schindlers said they thought Schiavo would buy a house where the Schindlers could stay with their daughter to care for her. They said he refused.

Within months, the Schindlers filed a challenge to replace Schiavo as their daughter's guardian, engaging a decade-long legal battle.

In 1998, Schiavo moved to have his wife's feeding tube pulled, saying she could not recover. Her parents disagreed, saying she might improve with therapy.

Pinellas-Pasco Judge George Greer concluded in a 2000 ruling ordering Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed that the argument was about money.

"It is clear to this court that (the argument) was predicated upon money and the fact that Mr. Schiavo was unwilling to equally divide his . . . award with Mr. and Mrs. Schindler," Greer wrote. "Regretably, money overshadows this entire case and creates potential of conflict of interest for both sides."


31 posted on 11/24/2003 6:54:46 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: sweetliberty; cyn
TV ANNOUNCEMENT. If it's wrong, just shut your tv off... unless you like Tom Jones.

OPRAH THIS FRIDAY & LARRY KING LIVE WITH THE SCHINDLERS THIS FRIDAY. Check your local listings for times.

From credible sources.

32 posted on 11/24/2003 7:24:54 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: pollywog
In Florida we say "Sleep tight, don't let the Judges bite."
33 posted on 11/24/2003 7:26:55 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: FatherOfLiberty; sweetliberty
I believe there's a flyer on terrisfight.org.
34 posted on 11/24/2003 7:27:49 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org freeper site)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I once knew someone like MS (sociopath/liar). I'm sure he had no problem sponging off the Schindlers, promising them cash later to reimburse their expenses. Then, when the money came in, he changed his mind, "forgot" what he had promised (reimbursement to Schindlers for their out-of- pocket expenses), denying it all and making them out to be the bad guys. When confronted with his own hollow promises, he likely flew into a rage.
This is typical behavior for this personality type. This "poor Michael" piece is irrelevent. The judge could have simply chosen another guardian. If the case is shadowed by a money dispute on both sides, as the judge was quoted as saying-then right action would have been a state appointed guardian, not MS.
35 posted on 11/24/2003 7:36:07 AM PST by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: floriduh voter
In Florida we say "Sleep tight, don't let the Judges bite."

LOLOL!!! ....hear ya!!

36 posted on 11/24/2003 7:39:34 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: floriduh voter
For contemporay fairy tales, it's the big, bad judge who is out to get the princess.
37 posted on 11/24/2003 7:54:41 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Annie03
Welcome to Terri threads as I haven't seen you post before. I didn't think of it that way. Thanks for the insight.
38 posted on 11/24/2003 8:35:35 AM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: pc93
Thank you pc93-I have posted, but not as often as many of you! I've got MS' number, I wish a judge in Florida would get it too.
39 posted on 11/24/2003 8:46:30 AM PST by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty

Happy Thanksgiving! Here's a whole cornucopia to pray for, while you're at it.
40 posted on 11/24/2003 9:03:58 AM PST by adam_az (.)
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