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Army Seeks Short-Term Payoff From Future Combat Systems
National Defense Magazine ^ | December 2003 | Sandra I. Erwin

Posted on 11/23/2003 5:19:13 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

The Army is redirecting priorities in the Future Combat Systems program, in an attempt to meet short-term needs for new technologies. This shift in emphasis means the program will be less about developing futuristic concepts and more about upgrading the current tanks, armored infantry vehicles and trucks.

Program officials assert that the chief of staff of the Army, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, supports the FCS and intends to keep the $15 billion project on track to field a new family of vehicles by 2010. But the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan clearly have forced the Army to reassess the program goals. While the FCS previously was viewed as a long-term modernization effort, now the chief wants FCS to begin delivering technologies as soon as possible.

The plan is to “spin off capabilities” out of FCS into the Abrams tank and Bradley infantry vehicle fleets, said Lt. Gen. John S. Caldwell Jr., military deputy to the assistant secretary of the Army for acquisition. But he cautioned that the FCS program is not being significantly restructured or downscaled. Rather, other programs will be “adjusted” to take advantage of the new technologies developed in FCS, Caldwell told National Defense.

Since the FCS got under way more than three years ago, the predominant message heard from senior officials has been the notion of FCS as a “network” or a “system of systems” that would usher the Army into the information age.

Each FCS brigade, called a unit of action, will run 30 million lines of software. More than half of the money in the program will be allocated to ground combat vehicles and C4ISR (command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) systems.

A seamless network of light ground vehicles and aircraft remains the essence of the FCS, but program officials now are stressing that FCS is first and foremost about putting technology in the hands of soldiers. During an industry conference last month sponsored by the Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command, in Dearborn, Mich., the program manager for FCS, Brig. Gen. Donald F. Schenk, told contactors that they “need to work fast.”

Despite widespread skepticism that the program may not be able to deliver a new generation of vehicles to begin replacing tanks and Bradleys in less than a decade, Schenk said that the goals are achievable. But in his opening comments to the conference, he acknowledged that, with the Army at war, the focus has changed. The technologies of the FCS could “transition” to other programs “more quickly than most people think,” Schenk said.

Among the technologies that could “spiral” from FCS into the current force are wireless communications systems, active protection for vehicles, diagnostics devices to predict engine failures, hybrid-electric power units and advanced truck suspensions, said Albert Puzzuoli, deputy program executive officer for Army ground combat systems.

But for FCS to be successful, he stressed, the Army and its contractors must fix a vexing problem that affects today’s weapons systems: electronics obsolescence. The term refers to the difficulties in upgrading older weapon systems because the electronic components often are out of production and not available in the commercial market. This could pose serious hurdles as the Army figures out how to upgrade the Abrams and the Bradley, so they can remain in the fleet for at least 20 more years.

The Army’s ability to “spiral” technologies out of FCS into Abrams and Bradley depends on “how we attack our electronic obsolescence problems,” Puzzuoli told the TACOM conference. One solution would be to develop a new, less complex electronic architecture in the Abrams and Bradley that is “somewhat compatible” with FCS, he said.

Unless this matter is resolved, he added, “FCS, one day, will suffer electronic obsolescence issues.”

Puzzuoli suggested that one of the more pressing technology needs in the near future will be to equip the Abrams tanks with new or remanufactured engines. The Army had awarded a contract to Honeywell Corp. in 1999 to develop a new turbine engine, the LV100. The plan was to build 1,600 engines to be installed on all Abrams tanks and Crusader artillery vehicles. But the cancellation of Crusader and cutbacks in the Abrams upgrade program drove down the number of engines to fewer than 600. An expected higher price for the LV100 (as a result of a smaller order) and technical problems experienced in the program have prompted the Army to reassess whether it should cancel the project and start over.

“We are currently evaluating the status of that program and where the future lies,” Puzzuoli said.

The current engine, the AGT1500 turbine, is fuel guzzling, has poor reliability and high maintenance costs, he said.

In fiscal year 2004, the Army will need to overhaul more than 1,200 tank engines, a threefold increase over 12 months. The Anniston Army Depot, in Alabama, currently overhauls about 400 engines a year.

The commander of TACOM, Army Maj. Gen. N. Ross Thompson III, said he fears that shortages of key components could severely undermine the depot’s ability to deliver enough engines to meet the Army’s needs in Iraq.

The potential cancellation of the LV100 is not related to the increased need for AGT1500 engines, Thompson said in an interview. “If they don’t continue the program, we’ll have a competition to reengineer and increase the reliability and the durability of the AGT1500.”

Also of immediate need in the field is additional protection for Humvees and other trucks that are not armored. As U.S. forces in Iraq endure continuing attacks by rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and various explosive devices, TACOM officials are rushing to come up with “countermeasures,” such as armor kits.

Ideally, TACOM would like to build more of the up-armored Humvees, but the production line only can assemble 220 per month. The Army has asked for at least 3,500.

Until enough up-armored Humvees can be delivered, TACOM is providing interim alternatives, such as armor kits and a newly designed armor door that can be applied on existing Humvees. The Army’s depots will make 1,000 armor doors for immediate delivery to Iraq, Thompson said.

Armor kits also will be needed for medium and heavy trucks, he said. Future Army rotations in Iraq will see fewer Abrams and Bradleys, and more wheeled vehicles, including the new Stryker.

Upgrading Vehicles

Contractors, meanwhile, await specific direction from the Army on how it will go about transitioning from the current force to the so-called Future Force, equipped with FCS technology.

Much of the technology the Army wants in FCS already exists, experts contend. Vehicle manufacturers are coming forward with unsolicited concepts that aim to prove that.

United Defense LP, for example, recently unveiled a 20-ton armored vehicle equipped with a 120 mm gun that was fired at a shooting range in California, according the UDLP officials. The demonstrator—powered by a hybrid-electric engine—is a modified armored gun that originally was developed in the early 1990s for Army light forces and subsequently was cancelled to fund other programs.

UDLP resurrected one of the six 105 mm prototypes and installed a 120 mm gun designed at the Army’s Watervliet Arsenal.

The company claims that the vehicle is not intended to meet FCS requirements, given that the Army selected General Dynamics as the provider of direct-fire vehicles for FCS. UDLP was designated the supplier for the artillery systems.

In what appears to be a tit-for-tat move, General Dynamics unveiled its own concept for a 20-ton 105 mm howitzer, which would be compatible with the Stryker family. Company officials said the Army has not yet settled on whether the FCS howitzer will be 105 mm or 155 mm, even though UDLP is developing a 155 mm non-line-of-sight cannon for FCS.

As far as FCS requirements are concerned, the Army has been “really vague,” said Dean Lockwood, combat vehicles analyst at Forecast International, a market research firm. For that reason, “contractors are showing what is possible and what is not.”

Lockwood believes that the Army is moving toward a hybrid force of light quick-reaction and heavy armored units. “With FCS, they want something in the middle.” Stryker, he said, is the “first incarnation of FCS. It’s the test-bed and interim program for it.”

Marine Lt. Gen. James Cartwright, of the Joint Staff, called FCS “the most transformational thing that is going on in the Department of Defense.”

Given the uncertainty about future conflicts and geopolitics, “the Army knows its goals are probably ambitious,” Cartwright said in a speech to the Institute for Defense and Government Advancement. The schedule may slip, “but they’ve got the right mindset,” said Cartwright. “They’ve got a heck of a challenge.”


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Instead of extending its 5-year contract with Textron to produce 99 ASVs through 2005, the Army requested and received funding to order more Humvees for soldiers patrolling Iraqi cities and protecting U.S. positions in the country.


61 posted on 11/23/2003 9:27:25 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The SISU is a bit large, but it is evidence of how much more bang for the buck you can get with a COTS core. I am not that familiar with the Cobra, having never worked with it. I did get to see the SISU up close and personal in Bosnia and was favorably impressed...at least for the price. The ambulance version was especially good. I wouldn't want to go into battle in it, but it was a good 'peacekeeping' vehicle. But I don't think we even have to choose Cobra or SISU...we could easily design something especially for our needs in OOTW environment. If its smaller than a SISU, fine. I think the point is to design and build something for the mission and need, rather than trying to fit the square peg of the M1114 into a round hole. The M998 is good at what its for, but it ain't the frame to build into a wheeled APC.
Personally, I think the size of the SISU would be a benefit. Even if it wasn't hauling troops around, we could even use it as supply vehicle in especially hot areas. Even if we were driving some of them around empty in the back, the terrorists wouldn't know which ones were full of people, which supplies, and which empty.
62 posted on 11/23/2003 9:29:49 AM PST by blanknoone
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To: sauropod
Check in today on the history channel.... A new show Tactical to Practical or something to that effect had the very same system you speak of with the hybrid electric tracked vehicle. It was on this AM at 10;00 . I just checked the programing guide and the next show is at 9PM and says it's about bubbleheads and radar so this AM must have been a rerun. Sorry......

Stay Safe !

63 posted on 11/23/2003 9:31:24 AM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I"LL KILL YOU !!!!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Never actually seen a SISU, so I don't know. Here is a Slovenian Valuk that seems to have all the hatches anybody could want.


64 posted on 11/23/2003 9:32:21 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Ranger
Post #47 is right on the money...we can't afford to go back to the drawing board, we need to increase and accelerate uparmored H1 production.

It's a proven system that protects the troops.
65 posted on 11/23/2003 9:43:14 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Probably not the best place for a spare tire - the spot that it is most likely to be shot and destroyed.
66 posted on 11/23/2003 9:49:55 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; All
Can anyone explain what is so complicated about an Up-Armored HMMWV that the most technologically advanced nation in the history of the world can only build 220 of them in a month? Or 500 by 2007?

How many planes, tanks and boats did this country build each day, during WWII?

And has anyone heard any plans to ship the Up-Armored HMMWVs from Bosnia to Iraq? There is no need for them in Bosnia; they just use up more fuel and give you less elbow room.
67 posted on 11/23/2003 9:56:11 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Voice in your head
I think we need to unass Bosnia and Kosovo and let the French and Germans worry about them. We have other fish to fry.
68 posted on 11/23/2003 10:06:56 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
I would like to see us unass Germany and move our forward-deployed troops to Bosnia or Hungary. It would jumpstart those nations economies, ensure longterm stability in the Balkans, and we would be closer to future Mideast conflicts. I do not mean to stay there with the intent of patrolling the countryside. I mean to station our soldiers there, instead of in Germany. This would accomplish several things.

1) It would serve as a deterrent against war in the Balkans.

2) It would put us far closer to our potential areas of future conflicts, in the Middle East.

3) Rather than reward the Germans with the income that they get from having American soldiers spending money on their economy, we would allow that money to be spent on the Bosnian/Hungarian economy. That would help to revitalize the region.


The only potential downsides that I see are:

1) The abundance of undocumented minefields and other explosive ordnance that would preclude the use of much land for training areas in Bosnia, until the tedious process of clearing the land is complete.

2) We would need to replace and upgrade the existing transportation infrastructure in Bosnia, to allow for rapid deployment of any heavy forces stationed there.

3) The people in the region may misinterpret this. And, the Arabs might also misinterpret our current presence in the middle east as a precursor to us establishing permanent bases there, as well.

69 posted on 11/23/2003 10:19:34 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Voice in your head
I agree that we need to unass Germany, but Bosnia is not the right place...we need to be leaving there, not moving in. If bases are to be a reward, the one most deserving is Poland. For location, and support/reward of real friends, I would say Bulgaria and Rumania is the right place. If we really want to properly preposition AND stir up a hornets nest, the really right place is Israel.
70 posted on 11/23/2003 10:44:10 AM PST by blanknoone
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To: HiJinx
Post #47 is right on the money...we can't afford to go back to the drawing board, we need to increase and accelerate uparmored H1 production. It's a proven system that protects the troops.

Bolting expensive armor onto a fancy jeep is not the right answer...our troops deserve the right piece of equipment for the task at hand, and the humvee ain't it. And given that M1114 is not on any sort of real production line, we ought to build a real production line for a real armored vehicle.

71 posted on 11/23/2003 11:03:58 AM PST by blanknoone
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To: blanknoone
I think the Bradleys should remain until there are sufficient Up-Armored HMMWVs. No IED is going to kill soldiers in a Bradley, unless it is well-placed and well-timed. RPGs won't do anything to a Bradley, unless they score a direct shot into an open hatch. Also, the Coax is more accurate than a soldier firing an M240B, so there is less chance of civilian casualties, in the event that Haji is stupid enough to screw with the Bradley.

3rd ID turned in its Bradleys and M113s in early June and patrolled in soft-skinned HMMWVs until late August. Made no sense, from a tactical standpoint. I would be curious to know how many soldiers have been killed while riding in Bradleys or M113s and how many have been killed riding in HMMWVs.

And something else that I never hear about - 1st Armored Division and 3rd ID were both in Baghdad from early June thru late August. Why did so many more 1st AD soldiers die in that time. What did 3rd ID do that 1st AD didn't do?
72 posted on 11/23/2003 11:15:03 AM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Voice in your head; Radix
Radix, old friend, do you have an answer to the last question?
73 posted on 11/23/2003 11:27:01 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: blanknoone
How did we ever get along with unarmored gun jeeps?


74 posted on 11/23/2003 11:33:16 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: blanknoone
It should be possible to "acquire" 4x4 POV's formerly owned by Baathists and bolt steel plate on them.


75 posted on 11/23/2003 11:37:30 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: Voice in your head
>>I would like to see us unass Germany and move our forward-deployed troops to Bosnia or Hungary.

Given that most serious Army movements are accomplished via 1) train to 2) a port, I fail to see how Hungary would be a very good idea as a place to base U.S. Army heavy forces. Bosnia is only slightly better, has one small port. Forward-deploying in these places would *not* "put us far closer to our potential areas of future conflicts, in the Middle East."
76 posted on 11/23/2003 11:42:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: blanknoone
See my Post 61.

We have a production line in New Orleans making ASV's that the Army thinks it has enough of.

Seems like a Loomis-Fargo or Brink's armored truck could be easily modified for stability and support operations in Iraq. What keeps the Army from requisitioning a bunch and shipping them over?

77 posted on 11/23/2003 12:16:07 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: blanknoone
Used Armored Vehicles
78 posted on 11/23/2003 12:25:29 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (CHAIRBORNE Death From Behind)
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To: FreedomPoster
Bosnia and Hungary are not equipped with lots of ports, but they are very close to Croatian ports. There is a lot of military traffic that passes back and forth from Bosnia to Hungary, through Croatia. Croatia would be a good candidate, as well.

See here:
http://img.infoplease.com/images/mcroatia.gif

I would say Turkey, but they showed their usefulness in OIF.
79 posted on 11/23/2003 12:53:42 PM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: Voice in your head
The Bradleys will definitely stay...but they are not good patrol vehicles. Tracked vehicles are hell on roads, and very expensive to operate and maintain, especially when driven a lot. That is why there is a need for a different vehicle, specifically something with wheels and armor.
80 posted on 11/23/2003 1:24:44 PM PST by blanknoone
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