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I know Bush. He's your best chance for peace
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 11/23/03 | David Frum

Posted on 11/22/2003 4:16:38 PM PST by Pokey78

For a visiting North American, there was something terribly sad about London last week. Everything had been prepared for a glorious celebration of Anglo-American friendship. The flags had been massed, the backdrop was beautiful - but the stage was empty. I felt that I had wandered into Miss Havisham's bedroom: everything had been readied for an event that never quite took place.

The protests themselves were not so impressive: they felt much less energetic and purposeful than the last anti-war protest I attended in London, the October 2002 march on Hyde Park. What was most disturbing was not the vehement hatred of Bush and the United States expressed by a radical fringe, but the cool dismissal of him expressed by the great moderate middle of British society.

Again and again I was asked about the odds that Bush might lose in 2004, to be replaced by some Democrat who would offer alternative policies: "alternative" being a euphemism for "conciliatory". A good many people, particularly in the media, are telling themselves that if only Bush could be got rid of, the US would release the Guantanamo detainees, withdraw from Iraq and create a Palestinian state.

Think again. Bush may fail. But if he fails, it is unlikely that America today will then conclude: "How terrible that the people of the Middle East gravitate towards violence and authoritarianism. It must be our fault. Quick - let's give them a Palestinian state so they will stop blowing up our office towers."

It is much more likely that Americans will conclude: "Something is seriously wrong with these people. And we'd better take steps to protect ourselves from them." You do not, after all, have to send your armies into the heart of the Middle East to fortify your society against Middle Eastern terror. You can also do it by barring Middle Eastern people from your territories and keeping careful watch over those who have already entered. You can do it by supporting regimes willing to crack down on terrorist organisations by any means necessary. You can do it by cutting back on your presence in the region, reducing investment and trade, striking from a distance whenever any state or group seems close to acquiring weapons of mass destruction - but otherwise consigning the people of the region to stagnate in their own rage.

Many Europeans interpret rage as evidence that the enraged must have been victimised. Americans are less prone to accept such excuses. That's why they execute murderers. That's why they are so overwhelmingly unsympathetic to the Palestinian cause. (Americans as a whole sympathise with Israel over the Palestinians by a margin of three to one; Republicans by a margin of seven to one; conservative Republicans by a margin of eight to one.)

Since September 11, President Bush has again and again challenged the view that Islam is biased towards violence and against democracy. He has dismissed as "condescending" the view that the one-fifth of mankind who follow Islam have unfitted themselves for self-rule - and repeatedly praised Islam as a good and peaceful faith. Polls suggest that Americans are already decreasingly likely to agree.

One of America's largest foundations, Pew, regularly sponsors surveys of American attitudes towards religion and public life. It has found that between March 2002 and June 2003, the proportion of Americans who agree that Islam is more likely than other religions to encourage violence rose from 25 per cent to 44 per cent.

In the wake of the Vietnam war, there appeared a sudden burst of artistically ambitious movies about the US debacle in Indochina: The Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now being the two most successful. These movies offered similar interpretations of what had gone wrong - well-intentioned Americans had been drawn into an evil vortex they did not understand, and had been corrupted and destroyed. Left-wingers hated these movies: Surely, they argued, it had been the Americans who had been the destroyers and the Vietnamese who had been the victims? But that message was unheard - or, if heard, disdained.

In the wake of an American failure in Iraq, no imaginable American president - not Wesley Clark, not Howard Dean - would dare propose an increase in foreign aid or other assistance to the Middle East. A failure would be interpreted as a vindication of America's isolationists and pessimists, not its Leftists and pacifists - as proof that gunmen and suicide bombers actually do epitomise the region's values and culture.

Fortunately, it now seems overwhelmingly probable that the US will succeed in Iraq and that Bush will be re-elected; that the Iraqis will gain their freedom and the Palestinians will get their state. And if and when these things do happen, Europeans and Britons will have to accept that George W Bush is not some weird American fad - that he represents something big and important about the United States.

Americans are fundamentally a generous and optimistic people. Those political leaders who have achieved lasting success in American politics - such as Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan - did so by appealing to Americans' best qualities. If the people approve and return George W Bush, it will be because he did the same: because he extended the universal principles that Americans espouse to that vast and challenging stretch of earth from Morocco to Malaysia.

Almost everybody agrees that the war on terror represents a new kind of war. It is hardly surprising, then, that those in charge of this war should sometimes make mistakes. Perhaps the timing of this state visit was one of those mistakes. But over the next five years, there will be plenty of opportunities to correct that error - and for this President who has risked so much to advance the common ideals of the English-speaking peoples to return to Great Britain to receive the cheering welcome he deserves.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; davidfrum; statevisit; ukvisit
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1 posted on 11/22/2003 4:16:38 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
You can also do it by barring Middle Eastern people from your territories and keeping careful watch over those who have already entered. You can do it by supporting regimes willing to crack down on terrorist organisations by any means necessary. You can do it by cutting back on your presence in the region, reducing investment and trade, striking from a distance whenever any state or group seems close to acquiring weapons of mass destruction - but otherwise consigning the people of the region to stagnate in their own rage

Plan B.- Blow the hell out of them.

I prefer plan B.

2 posted on 11/22/2003 4:23:57 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: Pokey78
As usual David Frum is right on. I believe that if we fail in Iraq, nuclear bombs will be detonating in the Middle East within 10 years.
3 posted on 11/22/2003 4:26:42 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Pokey78
...to fortify your society against Middle Eastern terror... bar Middle Eastern people from your territories and keep careful watch over those who have already entered.

This would be simple, effective, and would save tens of billions. So there is no way.

4 posted on 11/22/2003 4:33:42 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Maynerd
Not to mention the Mid West...
Maybe Omaha or Indianiapolis
5 posted on 11/22/2003 4:35:40 PM PST by 76834
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To: 76834
Not to mention the Mid West... Maybe Omaha or Indianiapolis

It goes without saying, if a US city is nuked buh bye Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakastani nukes,. . . fill in the blank.

6 posted on 11/22/2003 4:39:42 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Pokey78
Fortunately, it now seems overwhelmingly probable that the US will succeed in Iraq and that Bush will be re-elected; that the Iraqis will gain their freedom and the Palestinians will get their state. And if and when these things do happen, Europeans and Britons will have to accept that George W Bush is not some weird American fad - that he represents something big and important about the United States.

I not only hope so too, I think so too. But if and when these things do happen, Europeans will be falling over themselves claiming credit for them.

7 posted on 11/22/2003 4:45:51 PM PST by Billthedrill
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It goes without saying, if a US city is nuked buh bye Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakastani nukes,. . . fill in the blank

Won't we need UN approval to do that?

8 posted on 11/22/2003 4:46:50 PM PST by GWB00
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To: GWB00
>>It goes without saying, if a US city is nuked buh bye Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakastani nukes,. . . fill in the blank>>

Not IF, but WHEN.
9 posted on 11/22/2003 4:52:01 PM PST by Righter-than-Rush
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To: GWB00
If that happens it figures that New Yawk along with the UN will be radioactive ashes.
10 posted on 11/22/2003 4:52:02 PM PST by 76834
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To: GWB00
Won't we need UN approval to do that?

LOL. Won't they be on the target list as well?

11 posted on 11/22/2003 4:53:48 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Pokey78
Forget about peace. Bush is our best hope for victory over the IslamiNazis and their Leftist comrades. A Demonrat president will try to make peace, just as Neville Chamberlain and fools like him tried to make peace with Hitler.
12 posted on 11/22/2003 4:55:35 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (((Live Free or Die!!)))
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To: Maynerd
LOL
Read #10
13 posted on 11/22/2003 4:56:04 PM PST by 76834
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To: Maynerd
"As usual David Frum is right on. I believe that if we fail in Iraq, nuclear bombs will be detonating in the Middle East within 10 years"

I believe this will happen, if we fail or ,if we succeed.

The Word of God says, it is so.

God, is Jesus Christ, not Muhaamad.

14 posted on 11/22/2003 5:02:28 PM PST by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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In the meantime, while the whole damm world is about to go up in flames, FOX nooze has gone into their new "Michael Trance" not to be confused with their nightly "Scott/Lacy/Kobe Trance"
Enuf to make you puke.....
15 posted on 11/22/2003 5:09:08 PM PST by 76834
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To: GWB00
Won't we need UN approval to do that?

I think you forgot /sarcasm, otherwise F*CK the UN!

It is because of their pussyfooting around we're in this mess with these terrorrists.

16 posted on 11/22/2003 5:30:59 PM PST by quesera (Scr*w the RATS, the U.N., and the French!)
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To: 76834
Just read on Drudge, that the 12 year old victim has ,"love letters", from Michael. Enough, to indict him with.

Wonder, how long Michael will last in prison?

17 posted on 11/22/2003 5:31:26 PM PST by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY /// Check out My USA Photo album & Fat Files)
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To: auggy
Probly not too long.
I can imagine some big biker thats been in the can for 30 years, spending all his time lifting weights, saying to Michael, "Come here sweetie and gimme a little kiss"
ROL
18 posted on 11/22/2003 5:35:55 PM PST by 76834
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To: auggy
If he goes to prison, he'll have to change his name to Ben Dover.
19 posted on 11/22/2003 5:38:54 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (((Live Free or Die!!)))
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To: GWB00
Won't we need UN approval to do that?

It would be political suicide for a US president to not immediately deliver a nuclear retaiatory strike. In a worst-case scenario, failure to retaliate might trigger a popular revolt in the US.

20 posted on 11/22/2003 5:42:22 PM PST by FierceDraka ("I AM NOT A NUMBER - I AM A FREE MAN!")
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