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Ruling on Same-Sex Marriage Hurts Democrat Candidates
CNSNews.com ^ | Thursday, Nov. 20, 2003 | Marc Morano,

Posted on 11/20/2003 11:40:14 AM PST by vladog

The Massachusetts Supreme Court's decision okaying same-sex marriages could propel the contentious issue to the forefront of the 2004 elections and cause Democrats "heartburn" next year, a political analyst says.

"It can't help the Democratic candidates; it just can't," said Larry Sabato in an interview Tuesday with CNSNews.com. Sabato is a political science professor at the University of Virginia.

"This is going to add a major controversy to the presidential and congressional election year. This decision in Massachusetts has elevated gay marriage to a position of major emphasis during the campaign," Sabato said.

Republicans will be the obvious beneficiaries of this situation, according to Sabato.

"I think it is an advantage for Republicans. How big an advantage remains to be seen, but it is an advantage," Sabato explained.

"Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to gay marriage. Democrats, many of whom are opposed to gay marriage, favor civil unions, and most Americans don't see the difference between the two," Sabato said.

According to Sabato, the Democrats' presidential nominee will have to try to parse the difference between support of homosexual civil unions and the more comprehensive issue of same-sex marriage. The Democrat candidate will also have to balance the support of homosexual lobbying groups with the views of the general electorate, he predicted.

"That conflict is going to cause the Democratic nominee heartburn," Sabato said.

Only three Democrat presidential contenders have expressed support for same-sex marriage: U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Al Sharpton and former U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois. The other six candidates have expressed support for same-sex civil unions but have stopped short of endorsing the concept of homosexual marriage.

Bush Under Pressure Also

The pressure will not just be on the Democrats. The Bush administration now finds itself under increasing pressure to back a federal constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.

In July, a White House spokesman said the Bush administration was considering its options to defend traditional marriage - and a constitutional amendment was among those options. But President Bush later said he was not sure if a constitutional amendment would be necessary. In late October, President Bush told reporters: "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that one way or another." He added, "We've got lawyers looking at the best way to do that."

However, Bush issued the following statement on Tuesday: "Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Today's decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court violates this important principle. I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage."

Sabato believes the fallout over the same-sex marriage issue will harm the Democrat nominee more than Bush.

"It is gong to be difficult for the Democratic nominee not to appear to be much more in favor of this particular decision than President Bush," Sabato explained. "The Republicans are on one side of this cultural divide, and the Democrats are on another, and that is just the way it is."

Wakeup Call for Flyover Country

Sabato believes that although the West Coast and Northeast might become more Democrat in an election divided by the "gay marriage" controversy, the key Midwest states of Wisconsin, Minnesota and Iowa could harm the Democrats' presidential ambitions.

"All three states, narrowly carried by Gore, might be winnable by Bush based on a social issue like this," Sabato said.

But Mark Mead, spokesman for the homosexual Republican group Log Cabin Republicans, believes that GOP opposition to homosexual marriage could harm the party's chances of keeping the White House.

"The past is a really good predictor of the future. When we ran a culture war campaign led by Pat Buchanan in 1992, we lost, and we handed the White House to Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton for eight years," Mead told CNSNews.com.

"So if we run on a culture war campaign, I predict that's what will happen again," Mead said.

Log Cabin Republicans are "pleased with the ruling" in Massachusetts and believe the issue to be "strictly a civil issue that will protect all families in America," according to Mead.

'Civil Issue'

Bush can win re-election if he runs as "an inclusive man reaching out to all parts of America," according to Mead. He said that misinformation propagated by the "extreme right" was to blame for much of the opposition to same-sex marriage.

"We allowed the extreme right to define this as a religious issue, and it's not. It's a civil issue," Mead said. He believes that when misconceptions about same-sex marriages are explained and the issue is cast as one of fairness and basic rights, the American public would support it.

If "you don't explain it properly and people think that their Baptist church or their synagogue is going to be forced to recognize a relationship they don't want, then we lose badly. It's really going to be up to us how we define it," Mead said. "If we do a poor job, we lose in the arena of public opinion."

Mead does not expect President Bush to support "gay marriages," but his group holds out hope that the president will decide not to turn it into a high-profile issue in the 2004 campaign.

"I think that George W. Bush watched up close in 1992 what the culture war campaign did to his father, and I think he is determined not to let that happen again," Mead said.

Human Rights Campaign, a liberal homosexual rights group, applauded the court's decision but predicted that the issue of same-sex marriages would not have a significant effect on the 2004 elections.

"Most Americans in polling say that [same-sex marriage] is not an issue they vote on. The things most Americans care about are the war in Iraq, the economy, do they have jobs, what is the state of the environment," said Mark Shields, spokesman for Human Rights Campaign.

"While a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea of gay marriage, when you talk about it in terms of the rights and benefits and protections that come with it, people do tend to understand that same-sex couples have the same need to protect their families that other people do," Shields told CNSNews.com.

It's a Big Issue for Hillary

Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., predicted last month that the issue of same-sex marriages would dominate the 2004 elections.

Clinton told a homosexual advocacy group, Empire State Pride Agenda, that a constitutional amendment would form "the center of the presidential election next year."

She criticized President Bush for supporting [in actuality, not opposing] a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as the union of one man and one woman and said the amendment would be pushed by people "who try to drive wedges between Americans."

Meanwhile, the Senate's top Democrat, Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, came out against the ruling.

"I disagree with the decision. I believe that the Defense of Marriage Act that we passed in the Congress is constitutional. I think that will be borne out," Daschle told reporters on Tuesday.

"I believe that the issue is as clear as can be. We passed the Defense of Marriage Act by an overwhelming margin on a bipartisan basis. The law still stands today, and I think it would under any court scrutiny," Daschle said.

Massachusetts' Republican governor, Mitt Romney, also criticized the ruling.

"Marriage is an institution between a man and a woman. I will support an amendment to the Massachusetts Constitution that makes that expressly clear. Of course, we must provide basic civil rights and appropriate benefits to non-traditional couples, but marriage is a special institution that should be reserved for a man and a woman," Romney said Tuesday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; dems; goodridge; homosexual; homosexualagenda; issues; samesexmarriage
Things we once took for granted now have to be spelled out!
1 posted on 11/20/2003 11:40:15 AM PST by vladog
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To: vladog
The political fallout may be why the Democrats discouraged a similar suit in Arizona this year. I guess they want to enforce their unpopular ideas just after elections so the voters have time to forget.
2 posted on 11/20/2003 11:45:33 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: vladog
But won't Republican candidates lose votes in San Francisco?
3 posted on 11/20/2003 11:49:24 AM PST by Moosilauke
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To: vladog
This shows that Daschle is not a complete idiot -- or at least, some of the 'Rats in the Senate aren't complete idiots.

The Massachusetts Court overplayed the activist school hand. Clearly, the battle over the makeup of the courts and the stakes involved is at the highest level since the Thirties. Even though FDR lost the court-packing battle, he won the war, as he was able to load up the Supreme Court with New Dealers over time. This history lesson is not lost on the 'Rats who realize that if the courts are lost, they are finished as a national force (or at least the 'Rats as we know them).

The very last thing the 'Rats needed was a lunatic, extreme decision from some activist court. Now, THEY look extreme, not Dubya, and the battle for the courts will very likely be key in 2004. This battle will focus attention on the Senate races (it will already be focused on the Presidential race, of course). The one state that we need to take a Senate seat from the 'Rats is -- CALIFORNIA!

JANICE ROGERS BROWN for SENATE!!

I HATE ACTIVIST JUDGES!!!!
4 posted on 11/20/2003 11:53:50 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: vladog
but i heard on CNN that if the GOP opposes gay "marriage" they will lose ALL the moderates! That just can't be wrong?

Can it?
5 posted on 11/20/2003 11:54:12 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Moosilauke
That's assuming they had any to lose.
6 posted on 11/20/2003 11:55:12 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: Moosilauke
Do Republican candidates have any votes in San Francisco?
7 posted on 11/20/2003 12:18:20 PM PST by Veritas_est (Truth is (it is lawful))
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To: vladog
But Mark Mead, spokesman for the homosexual Republican group Log Cabin Republicans, believes ....

*** **** *****

The phrase "log cabin" is supposed to be a sexual inside joke. The homosexuals think its funny to make conservatives say log cabin republicans.
8 posted on 11/20/2003 12:18:44 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: ConservativeDude
but i heard on CNN that if the GOP opposes gay "marriage" they will lose ALL the moderates! That just can't be wrong?

Did some jackass say that? I have heard Mort Kondrake and Mara Liasson try to make the "your intolerant" arguement on FOX and it does not work.

9 posted on 11/20/2003 12:21:03 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: vladog
I can hardly wait to ask the Democrat nominee about this, "Sir, you party loves to 'legislate' in the courts such as the recent ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court that queers have a right to marry. Is the reason why Senators from your party have been blocking President Bush's nominees to the federal bench to continue your party's ability to 'legislate' what you cannot must votes for in the Congress?"
10 posted on 11/20/2003 12:22:53 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: vladog
"We allowed the extreme right to define this as a religious issue, and it's not. It's a civil issue," Mead said. He believes that when misconceptions about same-sex marriages are explained and the issue is cast as one of fairness and basic rights, the American public would support it.

"I believe that when monkey fly from my ass and challenge me to a dogfight, the American public will support Gay Marriage". - Pukin Dog said.

11 posted on 11/20/2003 12:23:39 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: KC_Conspirator
It is spin spin spin control. The homosexuals expected Mass to force (oh baby!) the state of Mass to issue marriage licenses to homosexuals. (see press conference with lesbians announcing their marriage intent. talk about scripted) The Mass SC did this 180 day thing as a way for them to get themselves out of their populist uprising. It will be interesting to see how this came about in the years to come.

The bottom line is that Mass can now amend their constitution somehow and outlaw homosexual marriage. The question is can they "address" the issue enough within 180 days to silence the Mass SC.
12 posted on 11/20/2003 12:26:51 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
too complicated, how about:

Sir would you support judicial nominiees who would force homosexual marriage on society?

make homosexual marriage a litmus test.
13 posted on 11/20/2003 12:28:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: vladog
If you insist on getting in peoples faces all the time one day you’ll get head-butted.
14 posted on 11/20/2003 2:15:01 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: longtermmemmory
Well, from what I am getting is that Mass. is pretty irked about this decision by the radical left to allow gay marraige, as liberal as that state is.
15 posted on 11/20/2003 8:14:44 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: vladog
Bush can win re-election if he runs as "an inclusive man reaching out to all parts of America," according to Mead. He said that misinformation propagated by the "extreme right" was to blame for much of the opposition to same-sex marriage.

"We allowed the extreme right to define this as a religious issue, and it's not. It's a civil issue," Mead said. He believes that when misconceptions about same-sex marriages are explained and the issue is cast as one of fairness and basic rights, the American public would support it.

Wait... he means to tell me that after years and years of gay-TV shows, magazines like People praising Rosie and the like for their "courageous stands," etc. etc., I'm supposed to believe that a right-wing propaganda machine has tried to silence the view that this is a civil issue?

16 posted on 11/21/2003 10:34:49 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: ConservativeDude
but i heard on CNN that if the GOP opposes gay "marriage" they will lose ALL the moderates! That just can't be wrong?

Considering that around 60% of Americans opposed legalized gay marriage, and only 33% of Americans are registered Republicans...

17 posted on 11/21/2003 10:36:05 AM PST by MegaSilver
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