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Bob Barr: Lt. Col. West no hero
WND ^ | November 19, 2003 | Art Moore

Posted on 11/19/2003 5:04:41 AM PST by joesnuffy

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM Bob Barr: Lt. Col. West no hero Officer facing charges for shock tactics used to save lives

Posted: November 19, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Supporters of a U.S. officer who believes his extremely aggressive interrogation tactics helped foil a deadly attack by Saddam loyalists are using "Clintonesque" arguments to defend him, asserts a manager of President Clinton's impeachment in 1998.

Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia told WorldNetDaily he believes Lt. Col. Allen West's actions should not be considered "heroic," a description offered freely by the officer's many military and citizen backers.

"It may be an interrogation technique that worked in this instance, but that's not an heroic act," Barr told WorldNetDaily. "This man apparently has a very distinguished military career and much of what he's done may be heroic, but I don't think this is an heroic act.

As WorldNetDaily reported, under threat of an attack, West took charge of the interrogation of an Iraqi policeman, determined to flush out details as he warned subordinates "it could get ugly." Threatening to kill the Iraqi if he didn't talk, West fired a pistol near the policeman's head, prompting a flow of information that led to arrests and the probable foiling of a deadly attack.

West says he was the target of an assassination plot and members of his unit had been attacked by guerillas linked to the policeman.

But Army prosecutors believe West's actions on Aug. 21 in the town of Saba al Boor, near Tikrit, violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He has been charged with aggravated assault and faces a wide range of possible outcomes from no disciplinary action to a sentence of up to eight years in prison.

The prosecutors gave West a choice – face charges or resign early, losing retirement benefits. The 19-year veteran was scheduled to reach his 20-year retirement one week ago.

West chose to face the charges, but already he has been relieved of his position, effectively ending a decorated military career that included a bronze star and another medal for valor in combat.

A pretrial hearing to determine whether he should be court martialed got underway in Tikrit yesterday and is expected to conclude today after West testifies in his defense.

'Slippery slope?'

Barr contends justifying West's actions would set a bad precedent.

"I do not believe we ought to as a nation take the step for the very first time of condoning these sorts of interrogation techniques," he said. "The hallmark of American life has always been we set a higher standard. We don't operate the way our enemies do, and I don't see anything here that would lead me to believe that we ought to go down that slippery slope now after two and a quarter centuries of operating in another way."

In an interview with WorldNetDaily, West's attorney, retired Marine Corps Lt. Col. Neal Puckett, said he had received about 100 e-mails in support of his client, some from veterans who served in Korea and Vietnam.

"Nearly everyone says this guy is an American hero who should be commended rather than court martialed," Puckett said.

Many WorldNetDaily readers expressed similar sentiments.

"I can't believe they are even thinking about pressing charges against Col. West. To me and many Americans he is considered a hero," one wrote.

In an e-mail to WND, West himself downplayed that notion, calling his soldiers the "true heroes" and stating: "I made a decision, and it has consequences and I accept that."

He stated further, "However, I can look at myself in the mirror and know that my men are well."

Before departing for Iraq Thursday, Puckett insisted it was not a foregone conclusion West violated the military code, emphasizing the threat was conditional.

"When you offer somebody a choice, that's very different from a threat that says, 'I'm going to kill you,'" Puckett said.

The circumstances under which it happened need to be taken into consideration, he asserted, noting there was a gradual escalation of pressure in the interrogation, a "step-by-step process in which he tried everything else."

Puckett believes West already has been taken to task for what he did.

"He lost his job," the attorney said. "When an officer is relieved of his command, he will never advance. The message has gone out that this is not a behavior we're going to condone. That should be the end."

When West requested retirement, Puckett said, they told him "No, you're going to have to face trial or lose your benefits.'"

Puckett said when an officer, such as West, is in his 19th year of service, he can put in a request for retirement any time during that final year. West made the offer two weeks shy of his 20 years, Nov. 1, Puckett added, "and they said, 'No, that's out of the question."

Due his day in court

A spokesman for the Army at the Pentagon, Major Steve Stover, said he could not comment on the case.

"We don't want any undue command influence," he said. "When you take a look at this case, that soldier is due his day in court. He's innocent until proven guilty. We usually push questions down to the unit level."

Capt. Jefferson Wolfe, a spokesman for the 4th Infantry Division in Tikrit, said he could not respond to questions submitted by WND.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has the power to intervene on West's behalf, "but he wouldn't normally do that," said Puckett.

More appropriate, he says, would be action by Acting Secretary of the Army Les Brownlee.

"This all could be short-circuited by the secretary of the Army saying, 'Somebody get me [West's] retirement request and I will process it through right now,'" Puckett said.

However, a 30-year Army veteran, who served in Vietnam and held several posts as a public affairs specialist, said he thinks the military justice system should be allowed to take its course.

"As horrible as combat and war may be," strict adherence to standards "are absolutely vital to good order and discipline, and the officers appointed over the enlisted soldiers carry a higher responsibility to ensure they are enforced," said Sonny Craven, who retired with the rank of colonel.

"The American public must have absolute confidence that our Army is moral and trustworthy, and not armed thugs or killers, who unlike the Iraqi enemy, rape, torture, abuse and even kill their enemy captured," Craven said.

The combat zone context cannot be fairly "analyzed" from the safety of an American living room, he noted.

Craven allowed that there certainly are mitigating circumstances to consider, but argued a court-martial process is West's right to a fair trial.

"To spare him from the indignity of such a trial, the Army offered administrative alternatives," he pointed out. "But it is clear, there are few conditions in which prisoner abuse or torture can be condoned or justified, and especially by a senior officer of a unit who must set the example and in whom the Army reposes a higher responsibility to strictly follow the Rules of Engagement."

Recalling the My Lai massacre under the command of Lt. William Calley during the Vietnam war, he said "one-sided publicity for the underdog who may have operated under tough and demanding conditions seems to always play out in the media before all the facts are known."

"That why the military has courts," he said. "It is the constitutional guarantee that Lt. Col. West's fate isn't determined by a possibly prejudiced local commander but, instead, he is afforded his right to face his accuser, have witnesses called in his defense, defended by both an Army appointed defense counsel and a civilian lawyer, allowed to cross-examine witness for the prosecution, and permitted to offer into evidence his own facts. The reasonable doubt standard must be met."

Craven said, "Given the exigencies of this war, the stakes involved in protecting his troops and his own life, I am optimistic the Army judicial process will act fairly and responsibly."

Puckett said if citizens want to express their view, they can contact their Congress members in the House of Representatives and the Senate or the Army. An e-mail to the Defense Department can be sent via this page by clicking the "Ask a question/Make a comment" tab at the top of the page.

West can be contacted by e-mail and his wife has her own e-mail address.

Angela West has set up a legal fund for her husband with the following address: Allen West Defense Fund c/o Angela West, 6823 Coleman Drive, Ft. Hood, TX 76544.

Previous stories:

'Heroic' officer faces Army hearing

Americans rally behind officer who foiled plot

Officer fights charges after protecting troops

Prison for officer's effort to foil attack?


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allenwest; betrayal; bobbarr; hero; interrogation; iraq; ltcolwest; pentagon; railroad; retirementrifted; rumsfeld; savinglives; stabbedintheback; terrorists; ucmj; waronterror
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1 posted on 11/19/2003 5:04:42 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
Chill, Bob.

Heroic or not, the guy was trying to save his men's lives.

2 posted on 11/19/2003 5:12:53 AM PST by Ole Okie (Go Sooners!)
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To: joesnuffy
BCREW SOB BARR
3 posted on 11/19/2003 5:14:46 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: Flurry
Bob Barr served in what branch and commanded how many soldiers in a time of war?



4 posted on 11/19/2003 5:20:15 AM PST by Area51 (RINO hunter!)
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To: joesnuffy
This article reinforces my opinion that Bob Barr should no longer be in Congress. I don't think he should ever return save as a tourist. I no longer trust his judgment and question whose side he is really on.
5 posted on 11/19/2003 5:23:17 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Area51
Bob Barr served in what branch and commanded how many soldiers in a time of war?

After he was fired as a representative in this country it seems like he has been searching for a new constituency; first the ACLU and now the Iraqi terrorists.

6 posted on 11/19/2003 5:25:18 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: joesnuffy
I wonder how Bob Barr would feel if it had been his son's or daughter's life Col. West saved? I used to like Bob Barr, but I have recently lost all respect for him.
7 posted on 11/19/2003 5:27:17 AM PST by John D
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To: Area51
Doesn't matter, his stoopid statement stands above his past. He probably thinks that Jessica Lynch is a hero for being captured then bravely allowing herself to be rescued by a bunch of troops who probably behaved in a very menacing manner. Don't ya think : )
8 posted on 11/19/2003 5:27:59 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (I don't think you hread me right. E-talk for Heard and Read.)
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To: joesnuffy
Seems to me the most lucid statements yet regarding this matter were made by COL (retired) Craven.

9 posted on 11/19/2003 5:30:23 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: joesnuffy
Thank you, Bob Barr, for weighing in on this. Your thoughts on this matter have caused me to thoroughly reevaluate my position and to downgrade my opinion of...

Bob Barr.

10 posted on 11/19/2003 5:34:15 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
If we don't hold ourselves to a higher standard then the enemy ... we are the enemy.
11 posted on 11/19/2003 5:38:56 AM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: joesnuffy
I agree with Bob Barr. It is a matter of good order and discipline. I'm not saying that I would not do or have not done similar, but it was wrong to involve soldiers subordinate to him. What happens when the Colonel is not there and one of his soldiers, knowing that the colonel did it, takes it upon himself to "question" a prisoner and it gets out of hand. The soldier gets burned for what he thought was acceptable conduct.

There are countless incidents in history that demonstrate the above is true.
12 posted on 11/19/2003 5:41:25 AM PST by Hurtgen (One who has been around the block.)
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To: THEUPMAN
The enemy sodomizes female POWs while committing other acts of torture and depravation

The enemy tortures male POWs during interrogations and often just because there is nothing on cable that night

The enemy feeds women and children feet first into re-cycling shredders

Col West fired a pistol passed this enemies ear....instead of through his ears

If that isnt holding to a "higher standard" I dont know what is...

If this act causes one to be labled "War Criminal" Barr better go after Powell for Mi Lai
and Armitage for SOG

And hundreds of thousands of veterans or their survivors since the French and Îndian War

this is probably one of the most chicken shiite things I have heard come out of the military

My guess is because Col West declared himself to be an Evangelical born again type Christian
they want to make an example out of him to please the muslims
13 posted on 11/19/2003 5:54:54 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: John D
" I used to like Bob Barr, but I have recently lost all respect for him.

I'm with you John!

We need to pin a medal on Lt. Col. Allen West, as an example to the gutless Pentagon and the rest of the military that this is the type of behavior we expect of them in a battlefield condition.

Our body count says there is a battlefield condition in Iraq.

Candy Barr is right about one thing. Lt. Col. Allen West isn't a hero. He was doing what we pay him to do, as a man responsible for making it as safe as possible for his subordinates, and by extension, the entire military campaign. In other words, he was just doing his job!!!

If Candy Barr wants to assume the position for the enemy, don't be doing it in my name. America has had enough of back-peddling politicos, who are the real reason our men are getting killed.

SHUT UP Candy Barr.

It may not mean anything to you, but I'm not the only American who has put you on our s_it list.

14 posted on 11/19/2003 6:07:23 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: John D
I wonder how Bob Barr would feel if it had been his son's or daughter's life Col. West saved?

That's exactly what I was thinking.

15 posted on 11/19/2003 6:09:54 AM PST by alnick
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To: joesnuffy
West is being sacrificed so self-righteous posers like Barr can show the world how virtuous they are.

I know a Korean vet that this sort of thing happened to. I believe they let him retire, though.

16 posted on 11/19/2003 6:20:00 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: af_vet_1981
Bob Barr should no longer be in Congress. I don't think he should ever return save as a tourist. I no longer trust his judgment and question whose side he is really on.

He lost big time here in Georgia.....
and not just because he moved out of his district.

17 posted on 11/19/2003 6:24:07 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: Jeff Head
Disgusted ping
18 posted on 11/19/2003 6:26:24 AM PST by MileHi (+)
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To: Hurtgen
Name two in American History.

L

19 posted on 11/19/2003 6:29:11 AM PST by Lurker (Some people say you shouldn't kick a man when he's down. I say there's no better time to do it.)
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To: Ispy4u
index bttt
20 posted on 11/19/2003 6:35:02 AM PST by Ispy4u
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