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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 19-23
Various | November 18, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:24 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 9 - November 19-23)
Link back to thread 8 (Nov. 14-18)

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Contained in Thread 8:

Contact info for Judge Greer and the 6th DCA, link to argument between Pat Anderson and Judge Greer, Judge Baird's predetermination of the case, timeline of Terri's case, statutes being violated (also here) in Terri's case, contact information for Bernie McCabe and Jay Wolfson ( link to a better address for Bernie McCabe), super contact list for Florida courts, legislature, Senate and Washington, link to Gov. Bush's amicus curiae brief, Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State , a Christian parspective, PC93's letter of complaint against Michael Schiavo to demand criminal investigation and more contact information, contact information for the Florida Committee on guardianship, testimony of Jackie Rhodes, interesting article Is Wife-icide Legal In Florida(?), contact information for investigative ops and judicial operations, transcript of the Hannity and Colmes interview with the Schindlers, links to transcripts of other shows on Terri's case, contact information for Fox News shows, address to send Terri's birthday cards and contact information for advocacy center investigating Terri's abuse and neglect.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

INDEX OF TERRI THREADS ON FR

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

A "Painless" Death?

Was Terri Schiavo Beaten in 1990? (Nat Hentoff)

His Fight to Give Terri Schiavo Communion

Terri's family appeals to Oprah fans

Terri Schiavo's Fight

Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case

Judge calls Terri's Law intrusive

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

Hannity & Colmes Tonight - Monday, 11-17-03 - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Parents

"Terri's Lights" Campaign Raises Awareness of Terri Schiavo's Plight

Catholic Media Coalition Declares November 30, 2003 "Theresa Schindler Schiavo Day"

Terri's dad: 'She's literally been a prisoner'

Husband's attorney seeks end to delays in Schiavo case

Terri's Threads on FreeRepublic.com - 18 Nov 2003 0351 PST



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; cultureofdeath; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; freep; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: sweetliberty
oh he's psysic, he's probably already canceled that trip.

That ship might start rocking and you know how powerful he is.
181 posted on 11/19/2003 5:40:43 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: trustandobey
Glad it helps.
182 posted on 11/19/2003 6:08:17 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: nicmarlo
Where are you hiding yourself this evening?
183 posted on 11/19/2003 6:11:20 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: floriduh voter; HiTech RedNeck
That wasn't Redneck's post. It was a post he reposted from another thread by someone else. Redneck is on Terri's side!
184 posted on 11/19/2003 6:15:11 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: Budge
" if this is true, and Jodi hears that Mikey is happy the way things are with her and doesn't want to get married, will he then turn on her, or she on him?"

He was playing to the camera. Nothing more. I'm sure that's what he told Jodi too.

185 posted on 11/19/2003 6:29:45 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: pickyourpoison
"He's in a hurry for some reason."

That's not so hard to figure out. His evil doings are hot on his heels and he's desperate. Getting Terri dead and trying to put it behind him is his only hope. Problem is, I think things are set in motion now to where, if Terri dies, he might have a lot more problems than he does right now.

186 posted on 11/19/2003 6:34:06 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: TheSpottedOwl; japaneseghost
This article explains the difference between brain dead, coma, PVS and locked in condition.

Responding to Patients in the Persistent Vegetative State

According to the MSTF, patients in PVS show no evidence of awareness or thinking, and do not communicate. None of their actions appear purposeful, learned or voluntary. However, the brain stem often functions normally in PVS, allowing a much greater range of activities than seen in related syndromes. Most patients in PVS continue to breathe on their own, circulate blood normally, have periods of waking and sleeping, may move their limbs, smile, shed tears and respond to external stimuli. Some may grunt, groan or scream.

Most patients in PVS cannot chew or swallow food, though some can. Thus arises the ethical dilemma. Some means of artificially administering food and fluids is usually required. Most often a liquid diet is given via a gastrostomy tube which is inserted directly into the stomach. Insertion of this tube requires surgery, but is a relatively low-risk procedure with almost guaranteed effectiveness. "Indeed, feeding tubes may be unique among all medical technologies in that they almost exceptionlessly deliver on their claims."

A patient's prognosis must be considered when choosing medical therapies. According to the MSTF, there is no effective treatment available to reverse PVS. The chances of spontaneous recovery depend on the cause of PVS and the age of the patient. There is currently no hope for recovery from degenerative diseases (like Alzeimher's) or developmental abnormalities (like anencephaly). However, when PVS in adults was caused by a traumatic injury (e.g. traffic accident), one year later, 33% had died, 15% remained in PVS and 52% recovered consciousness. Of those who recovered consciousness, 54% had severe disability, 33% had moderate disability and 13% had a good recovery. Among children in PVS dues to traumatic injuries, 62% recovered, 18% of those with a good recovery. When PVS resulted from a nontraumatic injury (e.g. cardiorespiratory arrest), only 15% of adults recovered consciousness, with severe disability being more common. Recovery among children was similar.

These statistics show that a significant number of people recover from PVS within a year after injury. However, the chances of recovery are much lower after longer periods in PVS. Therefore, the MSTF concluded that PVS should be considered permanent 12 months after a traumatic injury, or three months after a nontraumatic injury. However, a few cases of dramatic recovery after extended periods are well documented. One patient recovered after three years in PVS, to the point of being alert and well-oriented.

For those who remain in PVS, the average life-expectancy is two to five years. It is unusual for someone to survive more than 10 years, although two patients have survived for 37 and 41 years. However, the MSTF report did not take into account how different types of care affected patients' survival. In fact, there have been no formal studies on how the level of care impacts PVS patients' life expectancy. More aggressive and more caring treatment would probably lengthen survival times.

There are some related conditions which must, where possible, be clearly differentiated from PVS. In whole-brain death all brain function has ceased. There are no sleep-wake cycles, and no spontaneous respiration. Today, brain death is synonymous with death. Hence, statements like "She is brain dead. Why do they not let her die?" are misleading and reflect a misunderstanding of the terminology. In spite of efforts to change the definition of death, currently someone in PVS is neither dead nor brain dead.

The locked-in syndrome has some similarities to PVS since the person is almost completely paralyzed. However, locked-in patients can often move their eyes purposefully, showing they are conscious and aware of their environment. They can communicate with those around them. Tragically, they are otherwise unable to move.

The MSTF also distinguished patients in coma from those in PVS. Within two to four weeks, a patient in a coma usually either recovers consciousness, enters PVS, or dies. PVS differs because a patient in a coma does not have sleep-wake cycles, respiration is usually depressed and the duration of coma is much shorter. However, others treat coma and PVS as examples of the same kind of clinical entity because of their prominent similarities, namely apparent lack of consciousness and unarousability by ordinary means.

187 posted on 11/19/2003 6:47:55 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: cyn
You guys and gals are good. Spread it far and wide. Officials need this passed around. LE need to see this. Senators. McCabe.
188 posted on 11/19/2003 6:51:13 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: KDubRN
Several of these disruptors aren't wanting to know the truth and are much more interested in spreading their venomous lies and half-truths; so, as far as I'm concerned, it's really casting pearls before swine.
189 posted on 11/19/2003 7:05:14 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Republic
Bravo, bravo
190 posted on 11/19/2003 7:09:15 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"That is what the Nightmare Team is pursuing full bore"

I don't think that Felos and Schiavo realize the can of worms they've opened up. Personally, I think the priest of death is in way over his head and by the time that becomes apparent, he will be like the proverbial frog in the pot of water. In his arrogance he will never admit it, even to himself....after all, his psychic abilities make him quite powerful you know.

Sadly for him, his psychic powers are only as good as the devil that grants them. In the story of Moses and Pharoah if you'll recall, Pharoah's magicians were able to duplicate the first two plagues called down by Moses and Aaron as evidence that they spoke God's word. Beyond that, though, their magic was impotent before the instruments of God's power.

"Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." (1 Jn. 4:4)

191 posted on 11/19/2003 7:10:15 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Anybody have the credentials to run against Greer next year???
192 posted on 11/19/2003 7:10:53 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: HiTech RedNeck
" They supposedly can trump state AND federal court orders."

I would love nothing more than to see this case snatched right out from under the noses, and out of reach, of the HINO, Felos and Greer. Could be they see it as a distinct possibility which may furthur explain the desperate rush on the part of the HINO.

193 posted on 11/19/2003 7:30:03 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: KDubRN
"...I had heard about FREEP, but never took the time to check it out. What have I been missing????"

Great place isn't it?

194 posted on 11/19/2003 7:36:28 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
"...I had heard about FREEP, but never took the time to check it out. What have I been missing????"
Great place isn't it?

Yep.
BTW........Anybody know where Nic is?
195 posted on 11/19/2003 7:40:26 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: floriduh voter
"I'd be okay with Judge Lenderman holding the Jury Trial"

Isn't he the one whose wife or sister is on the hospice board?

196 posted on 11/19/2003 7:42:58 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: KDubRN
"Anybody know where Nic is?"

Yep. She's over here.

197 posted on 11/19/2003 7:53:52 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: nickcarraway
Why can't these Judges see what is going on? Why would they file this motion to block the bone scan?

Cause their feet are being held to the fire. ....! And it's about time!
198 posted on 11/19/2003 8:04:14 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: george wythe
lol........I had to laugh at Georgie Peorgie being offended cause you didn't "ping" him......... what a dork.
199 posted on 11/19/2003 8:12:31 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: sweetliberty
Thank God! And wtg Jeb!!!!!!!!!! I am so glad they came up with a reply for Felos and MS.

I've been reading and catching up, but the fact that MS is already trying to get the bone scans blocked, speaks volumes to me. He is trying to cover his butt, and that weasel Felos...........makes my skin crawl.

Thanks..sweetliberty. Appreciate all you do! And everyone else also.......
200 posted on 11/19/2003 8:22:08 PM PST by Shortstop7
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