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Statement by the President on Marriage (MUST READ -- Dean/Kerry/Clark Statements Follow)
The White House ^ | Nov 18, 2003 | President Bush

Posted on 11/18/2003 3:02:45 PM PST by PhiKapMom

Statement by the President On Marriage

November 18, 2003

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Today's decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court violates this important principle. I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; catholiclist; clark; dean; family; goodridge; homosexualagenda; howarddean; kerry; marriage; matrimony; presbush; prisoners
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
ditto
161 posted on 11/18/2003 5:51:38 PM PST by fiscally_right
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To: Liz
Your #129 is spot on. Of course.
162 posted on 11/18/2003 5:52:25 PM PST by onyx
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To: longtermmemmory
This whole judgement is based on the flawed notion that marriage is just about love.

Actually, the whole issue is based on the decades long plan of homosexuals and their supporters to destroy the fabric of civilization so that they can feel comfortable in a sexual mayhem. I'm starting to think that the socialists/marxists are on the same page, as a morally destroyed society soon becomes totalitarian, since no one can control themselves any more, the government must step in.

163 posted on 11/18/2003 5:52:51 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Indy Pendance
This Massachusetts decision, bad as it is, deals only with the civil side of marriage as promulgated by the state. It has nothing to do with the practices of any religion concerning marriage.

John / Billybob

164 posted on 11/18/2003 5:53:49 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Angelus Errare
Ping
165 posted on 11/18/2003 5:55:01 PM PST by Green Knight (Looking forward to seeing Jeb stepping over Hillary's rotting political corpse in 2008.)
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To: Liz
The dems are handing GW all of the gift packed winning issues that he wants.

The only problem is which few can he and the repubies spend the time and money to smash the libs at the polls.
166 posted on 11/18/2003 5:55:52 PM PST by Grampa Dave (George Soros, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: Liz
Bush needs to hand Dumbocrats a gift-wrapped package of dynamite wedge issues and Dummycrats anti-religionism -- showcased by big buck anti-Bush campaign donors George Soros and Norman Lear (the latter runs the religio-phobic People for The American Way) - is a good place to start ...

Excellent points !

Bush has played the 'RATS quite well for almost three years now. I look forward to his next FIVE in the White House ...

Entrapment by Bush:
He plays Democrats for fools,
and they always rise to his bait


The Rewards of Boldness

Bush and the art of Rope-a-Dope

"Somehow, Bush managed, once again, to do exactly what his critics wanted him to and defeat them entirely in the process."...This tactic has come to be known, by critics and admirers alike, as the "rope-a-dope" strategy...

Mark Steyn: No flies on Bush


167 posted on 11/18/2003 5:58:09 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (I won! I won! http://rmeek141.home.comcast.net/LotteryTicketRutRoh.JPG)
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To: steveegg
Keep us posted. He sounds like a great candidate for Total Recall II!
168 posted on 11/18/2003 5:58:59 PM PST by Grampa Dave (George Soros, the Evil Daddy Warbucks, has owned the DemonicRats for decades!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Will do.
169 posted on 11/18/2003 6:00:44 PM PST by steveegg (Wisconsin CCW? Since Craps Doyle vetoed, OVERRIDE and RECALL - countdown is now 42 days)
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To: spodefly
It was not allowed by law to be seen that way. That's the part that I have problems with.

Everything in life isn't always fair, just, equal or what seems right to someone. In fact, what seems right, fair and so on to one person or group of people, will usually seem the opposite to another person or group. That's just the way it is - some women are more beautiful, some men more handsome. Suppose your two "aunts" were not lesbians (as I assume you meant) but just very good friends who lived together platonically? Should there be a special law for them? Maybe the real culprit in this case is crapola probate laws, and estate tax laws.

170 posted on 11/18/2003 6:02:27 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: longtermmemmory
Priests are generally notary publics who execute the marriage license. No government agency recognizes a "religious" ceremony.

Pastors and priests are witnesses, not notaries, to the marriage covenant that is executed between the husband and wife and God. That's why the most a pastor does is "pronounce" the two husband and wife. He doesn't make them so. They do, and what they start in the ceremony they must subsequently consummate in order to complete. So while this is such thing as a religious wedding ceremony that the government recognizes, the pastor doesn't marry anyone.

The institution of marriage is the model we use to raise children.

Parents raise children, not "we" the village.

If government is removed from marriage, then government must be removed from all issues of all forms of property since marriage follows inheritances and property interests.

The state should record and recognise these interests (in order to punish criminal actions such as theft), but I agree that it should not meddle with and constrain them to the extent it does.

171 posted on 11/18/2003 6:03:14 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Incompatible goals. We have to realize that it is not an equal protection issue.

Bingo. Its like the old saying: If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Marriage is defined as a union between a man and a women. Much like a female sibling is a sister, not a brother - its a definition, and not subject to change.

172 posted on 11/18/2003 6:03:44 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Congressman Billybob; logos
If this decision passes, and gays are allowed to marry, watch how the church rulings are handled. If gays want a religious cermony, which the church might refuse based upon their doctrines, there will be lawsuits. If a church refuses to marry gays based upon their doctrines, the state will step in and rule on their decision based upon their constitutional laws. And it will be ruled in favor of gays, because the state constitution says so. This will be a fight about the constitutionality of our country's first amendment. This is a bad day for Americans. Unless we can rid our country of activist judges, our country will morph into another country.

Our founding fathers be so happy. /sacrasm
173 posted on 11/18/2003 6:08:46 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
If I had to choose, I'd much prefer married gay people to gays that slept around.

If they need a piece of paper to keep their promised commitment to each other, is it worth the fight? 99.9% of gay couples in committed relationships don't last. Its the gay life style.

BTW, is Taxachussetts an alimony state? see how quickly gays don't get married when they start experiencing alimony payments. The tough part will be the judges job of selecting which one wore the pants in the relationship.

174 posted on 11/18/2003 6:10:05 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: maica; Congressman Billybob
I think the word 'sanctity' is used to elevate concept of the 'union' of one man and one woman to a new entity. You might say that marriages are 'blessed' by the community in which the two entrants live. This has been the custom in every successful society.

Close. The institution of marriage is called "sacred" because it was instituted by God. The household was the first government, predating both the church and the state. The latter two were created by God in addition to marriage after the fall of man into sin. Each of these governments has its own areas of responsibility and its own limits ordained by God.

The present dispute over homosexual marriage is as fierce as it is in part because one sphere of government (the state) is making a massive power grab from another sphere of government (the family).

175 posted on 11/18/2003 6:11:46 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Theo
Perhaps you're playing loose with ther term "traditional marriage" to include what's practiced in some cultures not influenced by Christianity?

I'm making the point that even in polygamous cultures, a man marries only women, and one at a time.

176 posted on 11/18/2003 6:13:58 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Grampa Dave
Do you mean the Red Neck Gay Metro Sexual Confederate Voter is what Metro Sexual Howie is targeting.

Yes, I can see it now. Dean is invited to the wedding of Patrick Fitzmorris and Morris Fitzpatrick (sorry, couldn't resist this old punchline).

177 posted on 11/18/2003 6:14:45 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: B Knotts
You don't like one or more of those elements, I take it?

By no means.

Traditional marriage has already been destroyed, by heterosexuals, for heterosexuals.

The gays are just getting in on the party near its end.

Restoration is going to be much more of a project that the "traditional marriage amendment" crowd thinks-because limiting marriage to men and women while allowing unilateral divorce and penalty-free adultery restores nothing.

178 posted on 11/18/2003 6:17:19 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: PhiKapMom
This is not only a winning issue for Republicans but Republicans are on the right side of this issue IMHO.

...and should use it as an example of why we need to get conservative judges confirmed. Make it a HUGE issue.

179 posted on 11/18/2003 6:18:12 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: RobbyS
The state has the right to protect marriage which, after all, involves the joining of estates and concerns the rearing of children. The marriage license is intended to certifying that each party is free to marry, that no other person has claim to either party.

There's an old saying: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" That may be an overstatement, but it makes the point.

Most government programs (e.g. social security) are started with good intentions, but their merit is better judged by their consequences. Marriages licenses are wrong because they require men and women to get state permission to marry, which is presumptuous. The proper way to deal with fraudulent marriages is to punish offenders severely (e.g. large fines) when they record the marriages.

180 posted on 11/18/2003 6:18:54 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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