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Arabs and the History of Defeat
NOV/16/03 | JVERITAS

Posted on 11/16/2003 10:24:45 AM PST by jveritas

The article below about Arabs may upset a lot of the PC people who will read it. This article is based on my own experience being born and raised in Lebanon for twenty-two years, including fifteen years of the Lebanese civil war and the first Gulf war in 1991. Some may say that it is not fair to generalize because not all Arabs are like what I am describing. Yes I can generalize; because generalization is talking about the majority and not the minority. I am convinced that what I am saying applies to the majority of the Arab society; make it the vast majority.

No people in the world today has suffered from more crushing defeats than the Arabs. In the last one thousand year, the Arabs have lost every war they fought. The psychology of defeat is so deeply rooted among Arabs, that it has created the strongest feeling of delusion that can ever plague a society. This state of delusion has created in them an extremely foolish state of denial that the West cannot comprehend. Reality and Arabs cannot go together and that where many problems stem out.

During their fifty-five years conflict with the state of Israel, the Arabs have lost every war. The defeats were very crushing. In June 1967, Israel destroyed three Arabs armies in six days and triples its size. The Arabs were claiming great victory in these six days and they were comparing Israelis Air force to flies; the same flies that totally abolished the Arabs Air force in the first three hours of the war. In October 6 1973, Syria and Egypt launched an offensive where they had achieved very little gains in the first few days, but after two weeks they were totally crushed by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israel made more territory gains in Syria and Egypt then they did in 1967. Today Arabs still celebrate 1973 as a victory and they have October 6 as national holiday in Syria.

The crushing defeat that the Arabs have suffered at the hands of Israel had worsened the state of delusion and denial that they have suffered from for hundred of years. Even worse, it created unimaginable hate and anger not only to Israel but also to the West in general and to the United States in particular. Because of this, many Arabs are living in the last twenty years in a more fatal delusion where they think that they are going to destroy the United States of America and establish a new world order ruled by an Arabic Islamic empire.

When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in August 2nd 1990, many Arabs were cheering the invasion because they thought this man is the new leader that will unify the whole of the Arab WORLD and lead them to the ultimate victory against Israel and the United States. In fact they strongly believed that the Iraqi army will crush the US military and they were eagerly waiting for the show down to come. When the war started on January 17 1991, the vast majority of Arabs strongly believed that the United States will suffer ten of thousands of death and will flee the Middle East. In fact in the Arab streets they were talking about these imaginary victories that the Iraqis were achieving against the US and its allies. When the war ended in late February 1991, the Arab street could not believe that the Iraqi army can be crushed so quickly and they start introducing all the conspiracy scenarios between Saddam and the US where Saddam invade Kuwait so the US will come kick out and control the Arab oil in the Middle, in return the that Saddam stay in power and get US protection. You may not have heard this here in the US but these are the wild and delusional stories that I have heard in the Arab street and the Arab media.

Enter the most delusional of all Arabs; the Islamic fundamentalists. Those people strongly believe that they can defeat the United States and rule the world through the Islamic shari’aa and few events in the last twenty years that fueled their delusions. In October 23rd 1983, a Islamic suicide terrorist destroyed the Marines barrack in Beirut Lebanon killing 241 of our military. The United States withdraw shortly after that and many Arabs claim they have achieved victory. I remember the cheers and the firing of AK 47 in the streets of Islamic West Beirut celebrating the presumed defeat of the United States. This event emboldened Arabs and Muslim fundamentalists and they start hitting us here and there without any real response from the United States. Finally, they thought they would deal us a final blow, so they came on September 11 and killed thousands of us. A large number of Arabs and Muslims were cheering that day and their delusions of a final victory against the United States grow from bad to worse to the worst.

When we went to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and AL-Qaeda, the Arab street and the Arab media said that we will face the same fate of the Soviet Union and Britain before us. We removed the Taliba in three weeks and Al Qaeda is on the run all over the world. When we set up to remove Saddam Hussein, the Arab street and the Arab media thought that we will loose ten of thousands of soldiers in streets fights in the Iraqi cities. To their ultimate shock Saddam Hussein and his regime fell in three weeks with very few casualties and this defeat was extremely hard for them to accept or comprehend. Now after seven months of our occupation in Iraq, we are facing an insurgency of few thousands and the Arabs strongly believe in their delusional mind that we are going to loose this war and withdraw. Even worse, many Arabs think that Saddam deliberately gave up Iraq so he can engage in a guerilla warfare against the US, defeat them and return to victorious to power. They think if they kill few hundred of our troops we will leave running like what we did in 1983 in Beirut. What the Arab do not understand because of their perpetual state of delusion that after 9/11 America will not leave the Middle East until we root out terrorism once and for all.


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To: jveritas
As long as they are poor and uneducated, they cannot win, as simple as that.

Win? Of course they can win...if the west does not halt the insidiouness of the attacks and the power of the money behind them. They (Muslim Arabs) were winning for the first seven hundred years of their sordid existence.

That they are poor and uneducated does not explain their canny and cunning ability to influence world politics. They did so in the past and are doing it as we speak. The alliances they have formed helps them to push their ideology much further than they could alone.

61 posted on 11/17/2003 2:26:20 PM PST by eleni121
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To: jveritas
Can you provide a link to it?
62 posted on 11/17/2003 2:44:50 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AmericanVictory
This is my own article.
63 posted on 11/17/2003 6:09:45 PM PST by jveritas
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To: eleni121
Trust me. I know the Arabs and Muslims very well. THEY CANNOT WIN. The first requirement for wining is discipline, and this does not and will never exit in the Arabic Muslim society.
64 posted on 11/17/2003 6:12:34 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas
Trust me. I know the Arabs and Muslims very well.

I wish I could. Experience and history does not allow for that. You may think you know them...and you may to some extent. But familiarity does breed contempt and the contempt you feel undersestimates the dangers we are facing.

The first requirement for wining is discipline

Hatred breeds unity and discipline. When Islam was ascendant it may have exhibited a slipshod approach to matters with the Turks ruling the roost oppressing Arabs as well. At present Islam as a whole is seething with malevolence and that does not bode well for the civilized world.

65 posted on 11/17/2003 6:33:20 PM PST by eleni121
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To: eleni121
Hatred will only destroy them and make them more backwarded. They cannot win.
66 posted on 11/17/2003 7:34:20 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas
Although I would love to see it happening, I am afraid that this may be an impossible thing to do. Please remember that the Middle East was vastly Christian before Islam came in the seventh century and converted the vast majority of people to Islam by the power of the sword.

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Yes, and it was fairly vigorous for the next seven to eight hundred years, pushing into what is now southern France and threatening Eastern Europe several times, reaching as far as Vienna. But then it's power waned, last Muslim rulers were cast out of Spain in 1490's, Ottoman Turkish rule disintegrated at end of WWI. They ran out of dhimmis to exploit, and couldn't get their economies moving without a constant flow of fresh infidels to extort and militarily weak neighbors to plunder.

The current terrorist programs are a desperate, and ulimately futile, effort to go back to the 14th century when Islam was still riding high. Though it's still dangerous and difficult, opportunities for evangelism will continue to grow as this futility becomes evident to more and more of these people.
67 posted on 11/20/2003 8:31:46 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: jveritas
I apologize for the more boorish among us, who can't pick up subtle hints from the context that the writer is not used to English as his first language, and that the gist of the messsage must be inferred.
This is often a problem with people who have never traveled and are monolingual.

I had no trouble following the thread of thought.
Thank you for sharing your insights.

68 posted on 11/20/2003 9:09:28 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: xrp
So, was bill clinton really the first Arab President???

Pray for GW and the Truth

69 posted on 11/20/2003 9:16:45 PM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY is dooming the Dems!)
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To: bray
It really doesn't matter because I lift weights.
70 posted on 11/20/2003 9:18:33 PM PST by xrp (Fox News Sucks: ALL LACI PETERSON, ALL THE TIME!)
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To: MarkL
Simply put, Israel is too small to be able to completely crush it's neighbors, although they were stopped from pushing on to Damascus and Cairo in 1973, by pressure from the US...

Apparently everyone else in the world is aware of this, except the Syrians and the Egyptians.

That's what makes seeing them "celebrate" their victory every year embarrassingly pathetic.
The arabs were not only defeated, they were humiliated.

I just wonder if the Syrians and the Egyptians ever wonder where the spoils of their victory is?

71 posted on 11/20/2003 9:19:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: eleni121
Hatred breeds unity and discipline.

4000 years of history tells us exactly the reverse.
Hatred mostly breeds delusion.

When Epaminondas cut a swath through pre-classical Greece, hatred was the least of his passions.
Where is Carthage today?

I am not sure what your problem is, but your grasp of history and cultures is clearly from a view with some sort of blinders on.

72 posted on 11/20/2003 9:24:59 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Publius6961
Thank you for understanding and for your nice comment.
73 posted on 11/21/2003 6:25:49 AM PST by jveritas
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To: Publius6961
Your rather "sweeping" generalizations of the past leave lots out...I won't even mention your curiously misinformed "pre classical" Greece to describe Epaminondas and his influence. The History 101 course you took was apparently taught by a post modernist.

To the point: I do know what your problem is - a spectacular lack of ability to understand the nuances of history. PLease understand that the "West" has felt the wrath of islam before and its wrath led to the destruction of Christianity and civilization for a thousand years until its partial liberation mostly in the last 150 years.

To ignore the consequences of Islam's ascendancy (based upon hatred of the west) is to ignore history and to invite a continuous struggle leading to death and destruction. It is happening as we sit here and ponder these questions.

74 posted on 11/21/2003 10:23:41 AM PST by eleni121
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To: jveritas
Attaturk realized that to put Turkey in the modern age, they must separate Islam as best they can from the State.

Now if we can only get a few of the other billion of them to wake up and see that.

75 posted on 11/21/2003 11:53:39 AM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: xrp
Loose is trashy women or doorknobs.

I'm with you on doorknobs, but lets not be judgmental in regards to the trashy women.... ;-)

76 posted on 11/21/2003 11:56:09 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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