Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18

Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

[nicmarlo]

You refute a doctor's word simply because he wasn't in the ER. I haven't, hence, I didn't need to be in the ER. BUT YOU MUST HAVE BEEN *wink* *wink* BECAUSE YOU KNOW BETTER WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE DOCTOR'S OPINION THAN THE DOCTOR--you must have first "hand" knowledge. (pun intended)

[daylate-dollarshort]

"Cite and supply your statistics to back up your claims that a 25 year old woman would ROUTINELY HAVE FRACTURES SUCH AS THOSE EVIDENCED BY TERRI: LUMBAR SPINE, BOTH KNEES, ANKLES, RIBS, and FEMOR.

I never made any such statement or claim. You completely ignore and delete the subject of osteoporosis.

But there is plenty of evidence of fractures without the necessity of battery or outside trauma, one I'm sure anyone that served in the military can attest to. Shin splints, heel splints, knee fractures, condyle fractures- all due to marching on a hard surface. These involve young men in their physical prime and did not suffer from osteoporosis.

Unless somehow you believe that they were "worked over pretty good".

[tutstar]

Also Judge Greer is on the Comittee for Guardianship Monitoring and has allowed Michael to slack on his responsibilities concerning requirements of guardians under Florida law. Judge Greer should be removed from this position immediately as well as investigation into whether he is legally on the bench or not.

[tutstar]

You should back up your info with a url.........

if you can.....

[KDubRN]

Someone suggested that this was the right e-mail
(notice the . between first and last name):

bernie.mccabe@fdle.state.fl.us


No period between the names. His server was clogged.

[KDubRN]

CALL NOW!!
State Attorney Bernie McCabe 
727-464-6221
Be Prepared!
YOU will speak to a LIVE person at this number.

[FR_addict]

But there is plenty of evidence of fractures without the necessity of battery or outside trauma, one I'm sure anyone that served in the military can attest to. Shin splints, heel splints, knee fractures, condyle fractures- all due to marching on a hard surface. These involve young men in their physical prime and did not suffer from osteoporosis. Unless somehow you believe that they were "worked over pretty good".

They may not be "worked over pretty good", but they are "worked out pretty good". In the infantry, they are often carrying about 80 to 100 pounds of gear, supplies, and fire power for many miles over rough terrain. It's not surprising they are pushed over the amount the human body can support without causing problems.

[FR_addict]

A woman with osteoporosis can lose as much as 30% of her entire bone mass in a single year! Do the math.

Doctors don't worry about osteoporosis in healthy women until after menopause. Terri was 26 years old. And since she has lived for 13 years under stressful conditions including the non-treatment of infections, dehydration and starvation attempts for 6 days, she must have been in very good health.

[Chocolate Rose]

This one worked for you
BERNIEMCCABE@FDLE.STATE.FL.US

I tried it. Got this. Your message did not reach the following recipient(s): The recipient name is not recognized.

[FR_addict]

Just a reminder to all to watch Hannity and Colmes tonight on Terri's situation.

[FR_addict]

I thought I would share this nice reply I received from the advocacy center. paulf@advocacycenter.org

Re: Terri Schiavo

Thank you for your thoughtfulness and interest regarding Ms. Schiavo and the complex ethical issues that she represents. It benefits us all for people such as you to enter into the dialogue about disability issues.

Since the initial withdrawal of hydration and nourishment from Terri Schiavo on Wednesday October 15, 2003 The Advocacy Center has received numerous complaints of possible neglect concerning Ms. Schiavo. Additionally we have received reports that there may have been a change in circumstance regarding Ms. Schiavo's condition since the last full review in State Court.

It is The Advocacy Center's federal mandate (pursuant to 29 U.S.C. §794(a) (doc 1) and 42 U.S.C.§1504 3(a)(2)(B) as the designated Protection and Advocacy Agency for the State of Florida to investigate complaints of abuse and/or neglect against persons with disabilities.

The Center is presently making demands in order to acquire reports and records necessary to undertake a thorough and impartial investigation of complaints we have received.

In order to preserve the integrity of our investigation during its pendency no further statement will be made to the public/ Press.

[FR_addict]

Also Judge Greer is on the Comittee for Guardianship Monitoring and has allowed Michael to slack on his responsibilities concerning requirements of guardians under Florida law. Judge Greer should be removed from this position immediately as well as investigation into whether he is legally on the bench or not.

Do you havwe the email handy for this committee group?

[pickyourpoison]

Yes, the one in large caps worked but couldn't get the one in small caps to work.

[daylate-dollarshort]

These stress fractures are almost exclusively reported within the first 12 weeks of military service- long before they are "carrying about 80 to 100 pounds of gear, supplies, and fire power for many miles over rough terrain".

Female recruits suffer stress fractures at 10 times the rate of their male counterparts.

Actually, the activity you refer to doesn't appear to be implicated with the development of stress fractures.

[sweetliberty]

Mom kept hope for girl who came out of vegetative state

[FR_addict]

Female recruits suffer stress fractures at 10 times the rate of their male counterparts.

I haven't seen the 10 times more than their male counterparts before. Where did yo get this statistic? I wouldn't be surprised though, given that womem soldiers don't have the physique to handle the weight that a male soldier can handle. But as I said before, doctors don't worry about osteoporosis in healthy women until menopause.

Actually, the activity you refer to doesn't appear to be implicated with the development of stress fractures.

It stands to reason that carrying 100 extra pounds will cause more injuries. Talk to someone in the infantry. They normally carry this amount of gear. It's not a separate activity, it is part of their normal activity.

[The Red Zone]

So where are the vaunted medical records showing she'd gotten all these fractures or even most of them, prior to that fateful night.

[nicmarlo]

You completely ignore and delete the subject of osteoporosis.

No I don't. Please make a relevant statement, AS PERTAINS TO TERRI, about what are the statistics for 25-year-old women and their LIKELIHOOD to have SUCH EXTENSIVE osteoporsis and to such damaging effects as YOU CLAIM IS POSSIBLE with Terri.

Shin splints, heel splints, knee fractures, condyle fractures- all due to marching on a hard surface. These involve young men in their physical prime and did not suffer from osteoporosis.

PLEASE MAKE POSTS that RELATE TO TERRI. Was Terri in the military that she would have had osteoporosis from MARCHING? No.

Please keep your "guesses" on track with what's relevant to guess about. Terri was not 80; Terri was not in the military. Terri was a young woman. I know this is hard for you, but let's STAY FOCUSED ON HER.

[The Red Zone]

P.S. By the way, as to your speculation about why I didn't post yesterday, you are way off target. It is not unusual for me not to post on Sunday. I go to church and after services I donate my time to help out in the office or ongoing church projects. A review of the posts made here yesterday would indicate that there are more than a few that are not similarily constrained.

Please tell us which church (or denomination) it is. And by any chance have you had Mr. Felos (he DOES claim to be a "minister") to speak there?

[The Red Zone]

And to be willing to err for death is just beyond the pale.

Not to mention that those who espouse it are similarly beyond the pale.