Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18

Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

[Aliska]

I was watching Oprah with my daughter, and have told her very little about this case. "He did it." That was her reaction. She thinks he is lying. I will explain more about the malpractice suit and the potassium reading which was the basis for the settlement. In other words, if he really did do it, that lawsuit (1) probably couldn't have gone forward without looking into it more, and (2) if he did do it, that lawsuit was a smokescreen and he would be liable to repay all the money and other negative consequences.

I hadn't told her about some of the doctors speculating on possible strangulation and the bone scan.

[pollywog]

Which is why the frenetic hustle to mow down Terri's Law as quickly as possible. They want to moot the guardianship challenge, which technically does have legs

Does anyone know how close the guardianship challenge is to being heard???

[FR_addict]

Oprah did a good job with the story. She showed quite a lot of Terri's videos and gave Terri's family a chance to tell us a little about Terri.

[Annie03]

"Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I believe this is the applicable right we are speaking of. The so-called right to privacy could only be based here. Furthermore, I believe we actually agree that this amendment has been bastardized by the courts in cases of abortion and hastened death, etc. While creating new rights, our real rights are being taken away with impunity. Sheesh.

[msmagoo]

I think it's very important to any appeal of Greer's ruling that Greer found hearsay evidence "clear and convincing." It would not be so in a Death Penalty case - which goes to Terri's right to due process. It's also a violation of her right to due process that the feeding tube was not considered "artificial life support" at the time she made that casual remark - yet Greer found that her expressed wish to die if disabled included being on a feeding tube. The circumstances in the Quinlan case, her respirator/ventilator, were not the same as the circumstances of Terri's present physical needs, either. So there are many violations of Terri's rights that would be sufficient for a new trial if this was a criminal case.

[FR_addict]

Does anyone know how close the guardianship challenge is to being heard???

"Lone Voice in the hinterlands" checked for us. Evidently Judge Greer decided not to schedule a hearing, hoping it will go away when the contitutional issue is decided.

[Aliska]

Overall, I thought she did, too, and the family did well. They seemed to exercise restraint from throwing out very much negative, vindictive stuff. I wish Oprah would have given them more time and asked some of the harder questions.

[bvw]

One face. Without decent Judges making decent judgements we will have violence in every aspect of of (shortened) lifes. That Judge -- Greer -- what a terrible, vile ruling, a "finding of fact", he made!

Thankfully Terri's family are in there seeking redress for her unstateable-by-herself grievances.

Respecting even an obviously errant "husband's" privacy does not mean ignoring the clear and public suspicions that there is a conspiracy to murder going on. Again, thankfully, her parents and siblings advocate on her behalf, making what appears might be a "private" murder, public.

[pollywog]

What I'd like to know, is where this "presumptively" came from. This is a legal term, this is not a mere pejorative. Not even the droolingest ghouls on this board have ever argued that Terri's Law is "presumptively" unconstitutional without a trial on its merits. Felos is only Beelzebub. Baird is Satan

Look, I have no more than a pre-school education when it comes to the Law, but permit me to ask a stupid question .....can this "verdict without a trial" be contested now in any way by the Bush Attorneys? Please explain .....

[lilypad]

I would think at this point it has to be evident to Jeb and gang what a struggle it has been for the Shindlers. They are now seeing first hand the difficulties that these judges are dishing out against Terri's family. You think that they would be a little laid back when messin' with the 'gov'. What the h*** is going on here? They have Felos on the local news now saying that Jeb should back off the fight after hearing the remarks of the judge.

[msmagoo]

How is Oprah's coverage? Hope she is on Terri's side and not the HINO's!

I think most people with common sense and a heart can see that Terri responds with some awareness and MS is a Mega-Creep.

[sweetliberty]

They are at least giving the audience a glimpse into the HINO and how terrible he has been to Terri.

[HiTech RedNeck]

A mighty fortress is our God
A bulwark never failing.
Our helper He amidst the flood
Of mortal ills prevailing.
For still our ancient Foe
Doth seek to work us woe!
His power and craft are great,
And armed with cruel hate,
On earth is not his equal.

Did we in our own strength confide,
Our striving would be losing.
Were not the Helper on our side,
The Man of God's own choosing.
Dost ask who that may be?
Christ Jesus, it is He!
Lord Sabaoth His name,
From age to age the same,
And He must win the battle.

And though this world, with devils filled
Should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed
His truth to triumph through us.
Let goods and kindred go,
This mortal life also!
The body they may kill;
God's truth abideth still --
His kingdom is forever.

- Martin Luther (C. H. Hodge translation)

[sweetliberty]

I think that segment was very much in Terri's favor. Wish they would have showed the video where she opens her eyes real wide when asked to do so.

[bvw]

"The so-called right to privacy could only be based here [Amendment IV]. "

A strong objection to the Bill of Rights was that by containing an enumeration of rights, it would: (1) eventually protect only those rights and any the non-enumerated right -- ALL of which are reserved to the people -- would be at risk and degraded. And (2) by being a enumeration it implied that individual rights are an enumerable. They are not.

It is the authority we allowed our Federal Goverment in that charter, the Constitution, which is enumerated, and limited to those powers that we then enumerated and later added to.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Whatever the political reasoning, don't forget that we can't call the operation a success if the patient died.

[pickyourpoison]

I just went over to Oprah's site and she's got a picture of the Schlindler's on it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,..."

Would it help to restore the balance if this amendment was re-amended to include "LIVES" among the list of the things the people have a right to be secure in?

[Theodore R.]

That was the argument that Washington and Hamilton gave in opposing a Bill of Rights. But Madison, "the father of the Constitution" won the day. RI and NC said that they would not join the union without a Bill of Rights.

[Theodore R.]

The Oprah Winfrey segment on Terri was very brief. The Schindlers said little about Michael R. Schiavo, for they know that he will take away their visitation if they speak too frankly. I think that the whole unreal situation is holding them back -- fear that their visitation will again be taken from them. They did the best they could with the little time given. I suspect that few in the Oprah viewership would be motivated to send emails, letters, or calls to the powers that be, based on this very brief segment.