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This is kind of scary folks . . . I'm not a Christian Conservative, but this whole deal gives me the creeps. What can be done?

INTREP - SAD DAY FOR JUDICIAL AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

This decision should not scrare you.

Moore's arguments were much like the arguments that have been made many other times... "My religion prohibits me from filing a federal tax return.... My allegience is to God, not man, so I cannot obey a judge's order to do this or that..."

If Moore desired to be a martyr, he should stop complaining about being martyred.

I agreed with Roy until he decided that he could defy the order to remove the monument. He should have obeyed the order and continued the fight through the courts. Had Roy made a decision on a citizen and they didn't like it for whatever reason, do you think he would have said, "Well OK"?

He has the right fight but he used the wrong weapons and tactics.

I hope things work out for him because he is a good man.

The ACLU has spoken. All bow.

What part of elected are they having trouble with?

"And my oath of office to the Constitution requires an acknowledgment of God," he said. "It's that simple."

Well then do so quietly. My daughter acknowledges God in school -- and a public school at that -- every day, but she doesn't insist on making others listen to it or put up a large monument.

Moore is a publicity hound, pure and simple. He got what he deserved.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Sigh)

Basically what we can do is show the First Amendment to the people and ask where does it say that the authorities can ban the religion they deem "oppressive".

Point out the hypocrisy that teachers can wear and display any religious symbols except Christianity.

Show the contradiction within the judicial process where the justices (ha!) have to pray before each court session.

Demonstrate to people that Christianity does not equal racism, oppression, sexism, etc. And if they generalize by using some unChristian nut, say that there are nuts everywhere and point to (Rubbish)Bin Latrine and his horde of unIslamic morons.

Oh yeah, hold big noisy (but nonviolent) protests so that the mangestream media can not avoid us whenever the rights of American Christians are infringed.

Anyone else care to add?

A recent poll indicated 79 percent of Alabamians would reelected Moore as chief justice.

Hmmm...so when would he be able to run? Do they appoint another justice in the interim, and is the interim the remainder of the six-year term?

Woe unto you, lawyers for you have taken away the key of knowledge. Ye entered not in yourselves and them that were entering in ye hindered!

In the end, there is only one "judge."

"The First Amendment dictates a separation between religion and government," he said. "The government has no business making it easier for people to believe there is a God."

Article the third [Amendment I]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Sorry, Mr. Atheist, but the way I read it is that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. That's exactly what I think has happened here.

While I disagree with the way Justice Moore went about making his point, I happen to agree with it.

Owl_Eagle

" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"

I'm not a Christian Conservative, but this whole deal gives me the creeps. What can be done?

I suppose the case will be argued through the Courts, won't it? Generally the defendant has the right to appeal a decision. Perhaps it's best to wait and see what is decided by the higher courts.

There's always the option of civil disobedience, but of course one must be willing to accept possible punishment. Are you willing to accept the possibility of doing jail time over the right to display the Commandments in a Courthouse... or any other publicly owned and taxpayer supported venue?

What exactly, BTW, gives you "the creeps" about this? Maybe it would help to clarify what can be done if people say exactly what is disturbing them. I am struck by the fact that not all Christian groups and/or individuals seem to be upset by the decision to remove the Commandments, so I am interested in reading why others are upset. For instance, do you see it as a states' rights issue or as a religious freedom of expression issue or something else entirely?

Just wait, Roy Moore will make a great candidate for political office, and the AG Pryor is all but finished. We AMERICANS will have our day

Recess Appointment by Bush to one of the judicial vacancies??? That would probably only last a couple of years, and then he could run again in Alabama

That court has just created a hero.

Moore's re-election is guaranteed.

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This is a state's rights issue and the Federal Gov't had no business pushing its agenda. The Constitution according to an 'original intent' interpretation is quite clear. It prohibits the Congress from establishing a national Sect. It does not prohibit a state from erecting religious monuments. I suspect Judge Moore expected his state to back him, but it didn't. It chose to surrender to the Feds. I've lost all respect for Pryor. It is clear that once on the Federal Bench he'll relish the ability to pound the states.

Judge Roy Moore and The Ten Commandments Monument - A Timeline (ACLU Prompted Removal)

Judge Roy Moore And The Ten Commandemtn Monuments Lawsuit - A Time Line:

8/25/2003	Chief Justice Moore Suspended
8/22/2003	Freedom at Stake in Moore Fight
8/18/2003	Chief Justice Moore's Poem at Rally
8/18/2003	Moore Defies Federal Order to Remove Ten Commandments
8/18/2003	Nation Rallies for Moore
8/12/2003	Chief Justice Moore Receives Ultimatum to Abandon “Laws of God”
6/6/2003	Appeals Court Weighs Moore Arguments
6/1/2003	162,000 Join Moore Petition
5/1/2003	Moore Appeal Set for June
2/1/2003	E-Army Delivers for Moore
1/7/2003	Federal Judge Allows Chief Justice Moore’s Ten Commandments Monument to Stay…For Now
12/20/2002	Chief Justice Moore Given New Ultimatum: Remove Monument by January 3
11/21/2002	Dr. D. James Kennedy's Statement Regarding the Ruling Against Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore.
10/23/2002	Moore Refutes Expert Witness
10/18/2002	Moore Trial Enters Fourth Day
10/9/2002	Poll: Alabama Supports Chief Justice Moore, Ten Commandments
4/1/2002	Anger Greets Moore Opinion In Homosexual Custody Suit
2/1/2002	Trial Date Set for Moore Suit
1/7/2002	Electronic Army Mobilizes for Moore
1/2/2002	Titus Explains ACLU Plan to Sue Judge Moore
1/1/2002	ACLU, Allies, Bring Suit Against Chief Justice Moore
11/5/2001	Chief Justice Roy Moore Sued by ACLU, Americans United for Separation
11/1/2001	No Lawsuit Yet Against Moore
10/4/2001	Chief Justice Moore Puts God's Law in Alabama Court
9/1/2001	Moore Puts God's Law In Alabama Supreme Court
9/1/2001	Moore Advisors Answer Ten Commandments Critics
8/10/2001	Chief Justice Roy Moore: Solid as a Rock
4/1/2001	Moore Leads Conference Lineup
3/1/2001	Judge Moore Elected Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice
7/1/1999	Anonymous Complaint Leads to Ethics Probe of Moore
2/1/1998	Moore Case Asks God's Place
4/1/1997	Judge Moore Keeps Prayer, Ten Commandments In Court

Rights of States Built into the Constitution

Judge Roy Moore and The Ten Commandments Monument - A Timeline (ACLU Prompted Removal)

Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

BREAKING - Mississippi Governor Ronald Musgrove Offers To Take Unwanted 10 Commandents From Alabama

When will Moore's monument be moved? (Who will replace Judge Moore?)

Stealth Move Against the Chief Justice (10 Commandments)

Supporters Intend to Resist Removal of Ten Commandments

The Beginning of Woes for Judge Roy Moore - What Started It All - The Ten Commandments Monument

How judge's stand resonates in Bible Belt

Oct. 4th, 1982 - 97th Congress Proclaimed "Year of The Bible" - Twenty Years Later What Has Changed?

"The question is or at least ought to be, how can such a small, godless, minority have such influence over our courts and legislative processes?"

Answer:

U.S. Supreme Court, 2003 - The Oligarchy*

Justices of the Supreme Court

Back Row (left to right): Ginsburg, Souter, Thomas, Breyer
Front Row (left to right): Scalia, Stevens, Rehnquist, O'Connor, Kennedy

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You’re absolutely right to have the creeps and should be weary of anyone who tells you otherwise.

Consider that Christians don’t separate their rights from God, and keep both out of mans reach. This has kept Americans protected for more than two centuries. The Christian faith serves the heathen because he can secure the family jewels with the Christians' rights. When the federal Government starts screwing with God, they are reaching for the forbidden fruit and screwing with everyone’s rights, in order to protect atheists who don’t believe in any power above man.

Because of the atheists’ beliefs they have to believe all rights come from man and because of this they would submit to another man playing with their family jewels. That should give you the creeps.

Until this issue came up I was a Traditional American Christian only looking towards my faith when it suited me, usually at Christmas and Easter. I’m still one offensive bastard, but I no longer hide my faith. Every perversion in the world is allowed to prance around and shove their crap in my face, so the hell if I’m gonna hide my faith in the closet. If this offends people the don’t have the courage necessary to claim their place with the Brave and the Free.

How is this different than the Neurenberg Defense, i.e., I was only following orders?

At what point does a Court Order break down?