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This ruling strikes to the heart of First Amendment protections and enters the realm of thought control. With the increasing secularization of the judiciary and homosexual activism, this sort of thing may be coming soon to a courtroom near you. We have a clash of cultures in this country and events are nearing the breaking point. A parent has the right to instruct his/her child in religious beliefs. It's guaranteed in the Constitution. But a secular imperial judiciary is attempting to override the Constitution without amending it first.
1 posted on 11/13/2003 7:42:04 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
Scr*w this judge and the horse he rode in on! How dare he make such a ruling and on what grounds?
If it were possible he would get the big finger real fast....but of course the poor woman can't do that because she would lose her child.
This is ENRAGING!
2 posted on 11/13/2003 7:47:37 AM PST by Adder
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To: Bernard Marx; Dataman; Southflanknorthpawsis; 2Jedismom
I know it's easy for me to say from my safe perspective, but in her situation, I can picture myself in public, reading from the germane (and univocal) Biblical passages, without comment....

...then looking up and saying loudly and clearly, "There. Jail me."

Dan
3 posted on 11/13/2003 7:50:24 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Bernard Marx
This ruling strikes to the heart of First Amendment protections and enters the realm of thought control.

I disagree. The primary issue here is the judge's ruling that joint custody should continue, and his recognition that there is a great deal of acrimony between the two women.

I suspect McLeod is being a first-class vindictive bitch, trying to get back at Clark through the little girl, who is an innocent pawn. To do that, she's using all means available, including Christian teaching, to poison the child against someone whom she no doubt loves as a parent.

My sympathies are with the child. She should not be treated like a piece of meat. If that means keeping McLeod's from acting like a Pharisee, so be it.

4 posted on 11/13/2003 7:55:15 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Bernard Marx
She can come to my house. Move now away from the former lover and raise her daughter in a nice Christian household. My daughters would love the company.
6 posted on 11/13/2003 7:58:44 AM PST by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: Bernard Marx
... was ordered by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin to "make sure that there is nothing in the religious upbringing or teaching that the minor child is exposed to that can be considered homophobic."

Mother ordered to not teach daughter that homosexuality is evil.

Well, it's not only evil but those who practice these sinful acts are people that children should run from.

Consider:

The following list cites alarming statistics showing that eight of the top ten serial killers as of 1992, in the United States were involved in homosexuality.

Donald Garvey: 37 Murders.. a nurse’s aid who was convicted of 37 murders in Kentucky and Ohio. Psychologists testified that “Harvey said he was a homosexual.” The New York Time, August 20, and August 17th, 1991.

John Wayne Gacy: 33 Murders.. a professed homosexual.. who killed 33 young men and boys and buried them in his basement. The New York Times, February 22, 1980.

Patrick Wayne Kearney: 32 Murders.. The New York Times described him as “an acknowledged homosexual” and “..perpetrator of the “homosexual trash bag murders.” The New York Times, July 27, 1977.

Bruce Davis: 28 murders.. killed 28 young men and boys after having sex with them. The New York Times, January 21, 1984.

Corll, Henry and Owen: 32 Murders. Dean Corll, Elmer Wayne Henley, and David Owen Brooks were the members of a Texas homosexual torture/murder ring that captured and mutilated 27 young men. The New York Times, July 27, 1974

Juan Corona: 25 Murders.. an admitted homosexual, killed 25 male migrant workers. The New York Times, October 4, 1972

Jeffrey Dahmer: 17 Murders.. a convicted child molester and practicing and admitted homosexual, lured 17 young men and boys to his apartment, had sex with them, then killed them and dismembered them. He ate parts of his victims bodies..Dahmer was active in “gay rights” organizations and had participated in “gay pride” parades. Michael C. Buelow. “Police Believe Suspect Killed 17.” The Oregonian, July 26, 1991, pages A1 and A24. Also: “Relative in Dahmer Case Sues. “USA Today, August 6, 1991, page 3A.

Stephen Kraft: 16 murders.. killed at least 16 young men after drugging, sodomizing and torturing them. Robert L. Mauro. “The Nation’s Leading Serial Killers.” The Wanderer, October 31, 1991

William Bonin: 14 Murders.. tortured and killed 14 young men.. had sex with this victims before and after they dided. . Robert L. Mauro. “The Nation’s Leading Serial Killers.” The Wanderer, October 31, 1991 (Clowes:96)

Dahmer was active in “gay rights” organizations and had participated in “gay pride” parades.

Homosexuality is diversity?

These sick, demented sadists should marry and adopt children?

11 posted on 11/13/2003 8:09:10 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Bernard Marx
So, you would prevent a judge from running my life as well? What if I like being told what to do?

If a judge can't step in and run the family, then we might as well not have judges.

15 posted on 11/13/2003 8:19:13 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Bernard Marx
But, the faggot judge will permit normalphobic teaching!
20 posted on 11/13/2003 8:27:33 AM PST by Tacis
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To: Bernard Marx
The judge should be summarily dismissed for this ruling... it violates so many things its insane.
25 posted on 11/13/2003 8:43:06 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Bernard Marx
Sickening.

For that pro-gay judge to award joint custody to a non-related, non-adoptive person is horrific.

I hope Clark has the funds to push this through the legal system.

Then I hope she takes her daughter to church regularly and listens to weekly denunciations of homosexuality.

27 posted on 11/13/2003 8:47:03 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Bernard Marx
The case has raised red flags among some Christians, who say the decision infringes upon the mother's right to freedom of expression and religion.

Sorry, but these particular Christians don't have a right to any say on this case. Remember, according to them, the mother, whose only connection to the child is via a lesbian relationship, isn't really a mother at all and shouldn't have any rights at all to the child. But somehow, when it suits THEIR purposes, they want to forget all that and have the courts order that an unrelated adult participate in raising the child in a way that totally conflicts with the natural mother's beliefs. Can you say "hypocrites"?

32 posted on 11/13/2003 8:57:32 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Bernard Marx; MeeknMing; SJackson
Impeach the imbicile judge and protect our children ping!

oligarchy "The question is or at least ought to be, how can such a small, godless, minority have such influence over our courts and legislative processes?"

Answer:

U.S. Supreme Court, 2003 - The Oligarchy*

Justices of the Supreme Court

Back Row (left to right): Ginsburg, Souter, Thomas, Breyer
Front Row (left to right): Scalia, Stevens, Rehnquist, O'Connor, Kennedy

ol•i•gar•chy
Pronunciation: 'ä-l&-"gär-kE, 'O-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -chies
Date: 1542
1 : government by the few
2 : a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3 : an organization under oligarchic control

44 posted on 11/13/2003 9:20:53 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Nurture terrorism in a neighborhood near you - donate to your local community mosque.)
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To: Bernard Marx
If this sort of nonsense keeps up, there are going to be a whole lot of people breaking the law....
53 posted on 11/13/2003 10:27:18 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Bernard Marx; Khepera; John O; Polycarp; scripter; GrandMoM; RnMomof7
This ruling strikes to the heart of First Amendment protections and enters the realm of thought control.

Even more importantly, whenever Christians speak of trying to preserve the culture that we inherited we are accused of trying to create "bedroom police" or "thought police" or whatever. Yet it isn't the Christians who are doing this, it is the perverts and their willing accomplices. In all the decades when homosexuality was illegal we never had anything as egregious in violating rights as this case.

Christians are not the enemy of American Freedom. They are its guardians.

Shalom.

64 posted on 11/13/2003 12:52:43 PM PST by ArGee (Would human clones work better than computers? Both would be man-made.)
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To: ArGee; *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; First Amendment; Yehuda; ...
Thanks for the ping ArGee.

This is a follow-up article to:

Judge to Christian mom: No 'homophobic' teaching

75 posted on 11/13/2003 3:09:37 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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"Cheryl Clark, who left a lesbian relationship in 2000 after converting to Christianity, was ordered by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin ..."

Is it any wonder that they DO NOT want any Biblical teachings on homosexuality to have an influence on the child? The mother now follows Christ and He enabled her to leave a lesbian life style. Yup, He will help all who desire it. To suggest that the mother remain silent on the most important Person in her life - Christ and His teachings as well as His power to heal is absurd! It just goes to show how evil hates Him and His teachings.

78 posted on 11/13/2003 7:19:29 PM PST by nmh
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To: Bernard Marx
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

This judge is another one of those "absuses and usurpations"

The time is rapidly approaching.....


88 posted on 11/14/2003 10:55:10 AM PST by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Bernard Marx
It's becoming increasingly obvious to me that we don't need "Gun Control", Drug Laws, family laws or anything else for that matter.

What we need is JUDGE control. This bastard should be taken out and tarred and feathered.
89 posted on 11/14/2003 10:59:30 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (If you continue to do what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've always got)
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To: Bernard Marx
McLeod has no legal standing - she did not adopt the child nor were the two adults ever legally considered man-and-wife. How is it she even gets custody? Another example of a judge gone carzy.
94 posted on 11/14/2003 11:20:16 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Bernard Marx
McLeod has no legal standing - she did not adopt the child nor were the two adults ever legally considered man-and-wife. How is it she even gets custody? Another example of a judge gone crazy.
95 posted on 11/14/2003 11:20:24 AM PST by Rummyfan
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