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CDs 'could be history in five years'
Ananova ^ | November 12, 2003

Posted on 11/12/2003 1:02:12 PM PST by Perseverando

CDs 'could be history in five years'

Compact discs could be history within five years, superseded by a new generation of fingertip-sized memory tabs with no moving parts.

Scientists say each paper-thin device could store more than a gigabyte of information - equivalent to 1,000 high quality images - in one cubic centimetre of space.

Experts have developed the technology by melding together organic and inorganic materials in a unique way.

They say it could be used to produce a single-use memory card that permanently stores data and is faster and easier to operate than a CD.

It's claimed that turning the invention into a commercially viable product might take as little as five years.

The card would not involve any moving parts, such as the laser and motor drive required by compact discs. Its secret is the discovery of a previously unknown property of a commonly-used conductive plastic coating.

US scientists at Princeton University, New Jersey, and computer giants Hewlett-Packard combined the polymer with very thin-film, silicon-based electronics.

The device would be like a standard CD-R (CD-recordable) disc in that writing data onto it makes permanent changes and can only be done once. But it would also resemble a computer memory chip, because it would plug directly into an electronic circuit and have no moving parts.

A report in the journal Nature described how the researchers identified a new property of a polymer called PEDOT.

PEDOT, which is clear and conducts electricity, has been used for years as an anti-static coating on photographic film. Researchers looked at ways of using PEDOT to store digital information. In the new memory card, data in the form of ones and zeroes would be represented by polymer pixels.

When information is recorded, higher voltages at certain points in the circuit grid would "blow" the PEDOT fuses at those points. As a result, data is permanently etched into the device. A blown fuse would from then on be read as a zero, while an unblown one that lets current pass through is read as a one.

Story filed: 18:07 Wednesday 12th November 2003


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Technical
KEYWORDS: cd; cdr; hewlettpackard; pedot
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To: cinFLA
And it has finally come out that when a song is sold for 99 cents on the internet they still charge for the same packaging costs and give the musician only about one cent. Is there anywhere we could donate the 1 cent and bypass the RIAA?

Use Gnutella or Kazaa or whatever P2P service you want, and send the artist a check via their agent. ;)

101 posted on 11/12/2003 2:35:04 PM PST by Timesink
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To: Sabertooth
Just try to remove the seeds from a nickle on a CD jewel case...............
102 posted on 11/12/2003 2:35:18 PM PST by singletrack (..............................................................................)
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To: Perseverando
Headline from November 2019:

Fingertip-sized Memory Tabs "Could Be History in Five Years"


103 posted on 11/12/2003 2:39:44 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Freedom4US
For high-end vinyl : Todd The Vinyl Junkie.
104 posted on 11/12/2003 2:40:36 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Perseverando
I wonder if all those salivating over this next big thing remember the next big thing Digital Compact Cassette (DCC) format which was introduced by Philips and then re-introduced when it didn't catch on and then dropped altogether. This next big thing is not even close to being on the market yet and like many such pie-in-the-sky technologies it's likely to get overtaken by a totally different whatchamacallit bells and whistles.
105 posted on 11/12/2003 2:44:06 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: Range Rover; oceanview
Sooner than you think.......how about NOW? Sirius and XM Satellite Radio are $13.95 and $9.95 monthly. If the FCC successfully migrates the Radio spectrum to Digital as they are doing with Commercial Over The Air TV, subscription-based radio services could be the norm of the future.

This is not going to happen. Just as broadcast (over-the-air) TV was not taken away when cable and satellite TV came along, likewise broadcast radio is not going to go away just because satellite radio may eventually achieve a certain level of popularity. And in the same fashion, the move to digital television has not, and is not going to, lead to the end of free broadcast TV. All it means is that your local TV stations will be broadcasting on different frequencies than before.

Each reciever is coded with a unique ID and you need to initialize it to start decoding the signal. Okay, that's a pain but you only need do it once. Here is the kicker - when you stop the subscription it takes less than four minutes for them to cut off service to the particular reciever you unsubscribed. Connect a few dots and it's not hard to figure out that someone like XM knows what signal is being listened to where and by whom. In fact, user stats are collected by XM just like your ISP could keep a roster of URLs you visit.

You're connecting dots that aren't there. These are radio receivers. They RECEIVE. Just as they receive the signals that are turned into the various audio channels, they can also receive the inaudible signals from the company that tells them to start or stop working depending on whether or not you pay your bill. They cannot, however, transmit back. And transmitting back is the only way XM or Sirius could find out what station you're listening to at a given time. They can't even tell if your radio is on.

106 posted on 11/12/2003 2:57:18 PM PST by Timesink
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To: discostu
I can see this technology in the form of credit card-size smart cards. The ability to completely control access to the recording should have the RIAA salivating.

Smart cards can be made nearly impossible to hack--see DirecTV, et al. And with the DMCA, hacking it would be illegal, NO MATTER what the intent.

Also, smart cards can be married to specific players-- conceivably you would need to buy the White Album for the home player as well as the car player. Heck, the access method is programmable, there could be all types of control mechanisms implemented. And since we have this smart card reader interface, maybe instead of buying media, it would instead be distributed freely (or very cheaply)-- but you'd have to pay to listen. Just insert your Music Choice (tm) card and a number of credits will be deducted. Yippie. (Damnit, I need to patent this. :-)

I've always liked the idea of credit card-size media, but I'm afraid the next generation media is going to be down right draconian.

107 posted on 11/12/2003 3:02:22 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
And meanwhile credit cards are shrinking, or at least they were, haven't seen a commercial for a keychain credit card in a while. Eventually we're simply going to have to shrink people so they can more easily manipulate their shrunken world.

I'm still not too hep on downloaded stuff. Even with the new world of shrunken cover art I still like buying a thing. Of course I was very slow to convert from the LP to the tape, and slower still to convert to the CD. Something no one will ever be able to accuse me of is being an early adopter.
108 posted on 11/12/2003 3:10:09 PM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: Perseverando
Well they might not be long for this world but these retro CD's are cool. Click the image for the site.


109 posted on 11/12/2003 3:16:52 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge
BUMP
110 posted on 11/12/2003 3:20:27 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Perseverando
Future is already here. Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on USB powered memory cartridges (that act as hard drives) that require no drivers. Just plug it into a USB port and it is automatically recognized as a hard drive in either a PC or a Mac. These are small enough to fit on your keychain and can already hold up to a gigabyte.

I own of of these myself. It's only 256MB (the equivalent of over 200 floppy disks) but it allows me to transfer files easily from work to home.

I also have a 256MB MP3 player that holds four hours of CD quality music (recorded at 160kps).

I think that CDs are going away as well. But I wouldn't throw them away. They will be very valuable someday as collector's items. I'm sure people who threw away their stacks of 45s in the 1960s and 70s are kicking themselves right now as some of them net over $100 on E-bay.

Don't know what the new business model in music will be but the CD is dead.

111 posted on 11/12/2003 3:42:06 PM PST by SamAdams76 (198.8 (-101.2))
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To: Perseverando
I think the RIAA must be paying off electronics companies so that they can resell the rights to the same music when all that is needed is new media.
112 posted on 11/12/2003 3:46:58 PM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
If RIAA got their start earlier, we'd still be using Victrolas.

113 posted on 11/12/2003 4:24:03 PM PST by WOSG
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To: Perseverando
Could run a Movie Gallery out of a kiosk in the mall.

114 posted on 11/12/2003 4:31:05 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Timesink
For what its worth, I think Sirius is going to go under (or bought up for pennies on the dollar). they are currently offering a $399 lifetime subscription, they are desperate for cash.
115 posted on 11/12/2003 7:40:27 PM PST by oceanview
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To: SamAdams76
Don't know what the new business model in music will be but the CD is dead.

I don't think so.
Not any time soon, anyway.

CDR = 15c for 680 Mb

Solid state memory = $20 for 128 Mb

Do the math.

116 posted on 11/12/2003 9:15:25 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: oceanview
For what its worth, I think Sirius is going to go under...

For what it's worth I agree with you.
I laughed when I saw their plan. Pay premium for equipment and then pay monthly fees forever?
I don't think so.

It was a dumb idea from the getgo.
A few thousand 40 year old spoiled brat teenagers with more money than good sense and an attention span of months is not exactly a good business model.

Sort of like the dumb self-destructing DVD.

117 posted on 11/12/2003 9:20:52 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Viva Le Dissention
>> You're right about vinyl still being around, but that's only because a good record player beats the pants off of a good cd player in sound quality any day of the week.

There is something to that, good records reproduce good music in it's natural form. And a real audiophile will also have vacuum tube components to get away from that noise produced inside solid state components.

But in the real world us regular folks have to go with what we can afford. I have a setup that will wake up the neighborhood if that is my will, but it is solid state and at lower volumes I can hear that hiss. I still own and use a turntable that's about 20 years old, but when CD decks became barely affordable I got one of those too, and I have bought very little vinyl since then. The discs are just too darn easy to deal with (and forgiving). In the real world there are clods & kids and the like, and none of then seem to care about the treatment they give that on which I have spent my sweat and blood. CDs are "almost as good", and they do pretty darn good for us regular folks with lives.

The idea of these chip devices sounds good, I think I could like them. But one of the things I like to do is keep the original source safe in the house and make copies to play in the car. Until I had a CD burner I made metal tapes to play in the car - and that's about as good as it needs to be for that listening environment. If they could somehow make the chip media uncopyable, I'd resist that. But I don't think that's going to be a problem as long as there is a physical piece of media involved.
118 posted on 11/12/2003 9:34:19 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (This tagline has been used before, so I won't repeat it.)
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To: SaveTheChief
All that being said, how would one of these interface with a car stereo that does not have a cassette player?

I can answer this one:

1) Audio signal connection: My GM Delco stereo has a port on the back for connecting a 12-disk CD changer. There is a $100 or so adapter you can get to plug into that port that gives you two RCA input jacks, for the left and right audio channels. Therefore whatever you would have pressed to select the CD-changer as the stereo source now instead selects these RCA jacks.

Mine is from Precision Interface Electronics ( http://www.pie.net ); BitBlitz makes these as well, but car stereo pros typically think BitBlitz has crappy quality.

2) Power connection: Belkin and other manufacturers make a car adaptor for the iPod that plugs into the cigarette lighter.

On the 3rd Gen iPod, the iPod end of the cable plugs into the general-purpose port on the bottom of the iPod. So in addition to power, it also gives you a line-level mini headphone port with the audio signals at the cigarette lighter plug base.

Just connect the mini headphone plug at the cigarette lighter base to the RCA audio jacks described above. Now you have both power and signal connection to the car stereo system.

3) Mechanical mounting to car: I made a "car dock" by:

  1. using a dremel saw to slice apart the dock (the little base stand) that came with the iPod,
  2. mounted it on a rubber base to absorb shock,
  3. painted it all vinylized flat black, and
  4. put it where my ashtray normally sits.
I got the dimensions just right so the ashtray lid still closes when the iPod isn't sitting in the dock. The Belkin adapter cable runs under all the center console plastic, and I created a power hookup point behind the dashboard so that my cigarette lighter port isn't tied up.

So now I can just drop my iPod into the car dock to automatically make power and signal connections, and take it out when I want to update the iPod's songs, calender and contact database, or when don't want the iPod attracting thieves. With the ashtray cover closed, the car interior looks unmodified.

I hope that answer your question. I wish I could use my steering wheel controls to switch songs or playlists, and BitBlitz is making noises they'll offer this soon. But with the iPod solidly mounted, swiching songs is easy.

119 posted on 11/12/2003 10:12:51 PM PST by Yossarian (1 CA Governor down, 1 CA Senate and 1 CA House to go...)
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To: Sabertooth
Man those covers bring back memories. Jimi Hendrix's "Purple Haze" was my first album purchase after putting my HeathKit amplifier together. The Cream album followed shortly. My parents were none to happy to see those in the house.
120 posted on 11/12/2003 10:21:55 PM PST by strongbow
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