Al-Qaeda warns of new attacks

THE AGE ^ | November 12, 2003

[Dead Dog]

And eating each other's nits.

[cake_crumb]

"The Saudi economy at work = invest here spend here."

Yep.

[cake_crumb]

"We all need to get behind the United States and help crush the enemy."

Well said. This war is about freedom vs. complete world domination under Sharia law.

[ladyinred]

Interesting. My hubby has ben working on that code since the thread went up. I pinged him to this one.

[chicagolurker]

Hey, I was thinking about this code too... 36 and 25 are 6 and 5, squared, respectively... think that has any significance? Or is that too obvious?

[wtc911]

No wringing of hands going on here, just a natural distaste for guys on the sidelines selling woof tickets. Attitude is just that, it doesn't win anything, only action does. Right now there are folks by the millions taking action right here in the target's center just by staying here and doing their thing. I'll take the actions of a forty year old secretary from Staten Island who was there and still gets on the ferry five days a week over the chest thumping from some kid a thousand miles away. It's her action not his or your talking that keeps us strong.

[kevao]

Al-Qaeda warns of new attacks

Didn't we just go through all of this last week?

[Johnny Gage]

More BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Bring it on homies, I dare ya.

[wtc911]

Don't misunderstand my position. If you take the time to search my old posts you'll find one way back that describes Iraq as the crucible where this will be won or lost. I am one of those who, like you, realize that this is a war of cultures with civilization itself at stake.

I am well past the age where I can get in uniform but I do everything I can to actively support our people over there and their families here. I have personal relationships through my work with troops with the X Mtn, 101st in Iraq and at Camp Phoenix in Afghan. We keep more than a couple of them supplied with everything from Dr. Scholl's to duct tape. We also collect quality clothing and deliver it ourselves to two posts, the closer of which is @ 400 miles away.

My feelings about folks shouting bring it on from the safety of their own bedrooms are emotionally driven by what I've seen myself at both Trade Center bombings and by the real dangers that people I care about, including a Captain in the 2ID Stryker Brigade who just deployed, are facing in this fight. I truly respect your experience.

[Dead Dog]

Nah, I'm not accusing you of anything. But I do disagree. Attitude, not action, is what lost Vietnam. Attitude, not the actions of the boots on the ground, is why we pulled out of Somalia, Yemen, Beirut, and every other State Department encouraged disaster. It is that lack of "bring it" attitude that has caused the international misconception that American's are afraid to bleed. It is attitude that presented the WTC as a fat juicy target for those who thought we would abandon Israel if we bled. They were wrong, just like the Japanese.

Truth of the matter, most American's love a fight. Not just New Yorkers.

[wtc911]

We'll leave it at that...stay safe.

[chicagolurker]

Sorry, I was lurking last week. :OD

[BlueNgold]

Its the HOURS comment that has me thinking longture, and the comment .. 36 and 25 and 36 ... But I have no idea honestly, just thinking out loud

[Dead Dog]

"It's her action not his or your talking that keeps us strong. "

You can go screw yourself with that one

I stayed on my Job, in one huge target, while 5 west coast bound airliners we unaccounted for. Sat here crunching numbers while the ETA for a Mach .87 projectile to reach my location came and passed. Don't even think New Yorkers are alone in the target club.

[wtc911]

Nobody's talking wins anything, not yours, not mine. If all it took was attitude then the cheerleaders would get the game ball.

[Dead Dog]

My point isn't so much that talking will win anything, but that it can and has lost conflicts. Had he posted concern and trepidation about their actions rather than "Bring It!", it would have been one step closer to defeat.

However, if talking doesn't win anything, why do we care about the left wing media?

[cake_crumb]

"My feelings about folks shouting bring it on from the safety of their own bedrooms are emotionally driven by what I've seen myself at both Trade Center bombings and by the real dangers that people I care about, including a Captain in the 2ID Stryker Brigade who just deployed, are facing in this fight. I truly respect your experience"

With all due respect, you don't know where the posts your taking offense at are coming from, nor the backgrounds of the posters.

I guess your hijab routine is being done out of fear, we get your point, you don't get ours, and most of us will not be shouted down by a minority - shouting minorities helped create the circumstances that brought us 9/11 in the first place.

Let angry Americans vent. If FACEd by a terrorist, 99.9 percent of us would do everything in our power to take him down, whether armed or unarmed and we know it.

[wtc911]

The original post that drew my reaction was by a self-described twenty something conservative from a southern state.

I don't know what a hijab routine is but from the rest of your post it seems like you think I'm part of some scared, shaking, vocal minority trying to shout down all the brave voices. Interesting coming from one who just castigated me for not knowing the background of other posters.

The truth is this, my reaction to this kind of chest thumping is emotional but fear is not the emotion, anger is. When the attack came it happened here, not there. My response was to get myself in there (after my family made it home) and help. There wasn't discussion about it, they needed help and we went. We stayed and dug for two days. I'd really rather not spend anymore time sifting through rubble for identifiable remains. And, I'd really rather not go to any more funerals and watch numb kids try to figure out what happened.

The original threat that started this thread was aimed at civilian targets, not our military. Nobody I know who was part of this is going to take a bring it on attitude when the targets are civilians. In this case bringing it on would mean more dead three year olds like the one on the plane that hit the Pentagon.

Folks who may well be and likely are as brave as anyone here, or DC, have the luxury of not knowing first hand the consequences. They may well behave just as admirably as some of those passengers did or as some of the civilian volunteers at GZ did. Talking tough though when you don't have a clue (the original poster) does piss me off.

We should all give allowances for youth and inexperience and I really don't harbor any ill feeling to that poster. On the other hand you and others want to put some kind of frightened label on my position. Well, I am neither young nor inexperienced. I've been in the belly of this beast and will go back again if called on. I will not though take a bring it on attitude when the targets are civilian.

[wtc911]

You don't have to choose a defeatist attitude or a bring it on attitude when the targets are civilian, especially if those targets are hundreds of miles away. The sentiment of defiance is right. The moment is wrong.

[milan]

I am well past the age where I can get in uniform but I do everything I can to actively support our people over there and their families here. I have personal relationships through my work with troops with the X Mtn, 101st in Iraq and at Camp Phoenix in Afghan. We keep more than a couple of them supplied with everything from Dr. Scholl's to duct tape. We also collect quality clothing and deliver it ourselves to two posts, the closer of which is @ 400 miles away.

I have to say that is very commendable. I can tell you from personal experience that when soldiers receive care packages from people they don't even know, it has very emotional significance to them. When I was in the gulf we had a business man located close to the post fly all the way to Saudi just to bring us cookies...about 4000 cookies.

It is just important to find the fine line between not agreeing with the actions and how the soldiers may perceive that disagreement. I have no disbelief in what I am about to say: if all Americans rallied behind the troops and their mission in Iraq, it would be over quicker. My reasoning: if they see there nation completely support them, there motivation and focus goes through the roof. They think to themselves "this is the right thing to do" instead of "well, maybe we shouldn't be here." Once soldiers start to lose focus, things start to unravel. It is not technology that wins wars, it is the people using tools to win wars. If the people fail, the tools are useless. Look at the motivation of the North Vietnamese. They were way outgunned, but highly motivated. They caused a hell of a lot of problems for our soldiers. If all our soldiers had the same motivation and focus on the cuase...well, there is no telling how it would have turned out, but I think it would have leaned in our favor in the long run. Not saying bad things about Vietnam vets, just saying that every soldiers heart was not where it should have been. Much (most) of that I attribute to a lack of support from home. Many good people lost their lives in Vietnam that in the long run had people asking "what did we accomplish?" I don't want to see that happen in Iraq. My fear is that the Democrats can do that. They have been sowing those seeds of "what are we doing there" since it began. To me, what we are doing there is clear.