DEM REGRETS ANTI-GOP INTEL MEMO

New York Post ^ | 11/1203 | BRIAN BLOMQUIST

[kattracks]

November 12, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - A Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee yesterday said it was "unfortunate" that Democratic committee staffers wrote a memo outlining a strategy to play politics with prewar intelligence. "The memo was unfortunate because it had a tone of pre-judgment," Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) told The Post. "I think the tone of the memo was unfortunate."

[Don W]

Actually, the headline should read:

DEM REGRETS ROCKEFELLER GETTING CAUGHT!

[Jeff Chandler]

All is forgiven; on with the inquiry.

[JoJo Gunn]

OVER reacting? Coulda fooled me.

Republicans by and large haven't shown much spine for years. Makes me wonder why I keep voting for them.

[stylin19a]

The headline doesn't match the article. They aren't sorry for the memo...they are sorry for the TONE of the memo not the content.

[Mo1]

But Bayh accused the Republicans of overreacting to the memo and using it as a "pretext" to dodge a tough inquiry into the intelligence on Iraq.

Hmmm .. playing political games to score election points with our nations national security secrets is overreacting ??

I DON'T THINK SO !!!

[zarf]

Bayh is a rare Democrat - a member of the loyal opposition.

For the Dimmies, he is prime presidential material- but the Dems are blind.

[DeuceTraveler]

"Bayh is a rare Democrat - a member of the loyal opposition."

Nonsense, this move by Bayh was sanctioned by the Democrats as a political step to try to diffuse mounting criticism before the fillibuster. The language was very carefully chosen.

[river rat]

Overreacting!

Overreacting my ass!!!

Until a few of those lying pansy Democrat Senators have been castrated -- we haven't overreacted..

Semper Fi

[weegee]

They regret their thoughts being put into a memo. It left a smoking gun to what their true agenda is.

[NutCrackerBoy]

PR-wise, Democrats have gotten off scot-free from MemoGate, and they have nothing to fear from the reverse filibuster. NYTCBSABCNBC won't publicize the thing, saving their darlings' feet from the fire.

So why did Bayh bother with the pseudo mea culpa?

[Fledermaus]

Republicans by and large haven't shown much spine for years. Makes me wonder why I keep voting for them.

Because we are gluttons for punishment. I hate to make the cliche argument, but it is the better of the other evil choices.

So many Republicans that do win office get so sick of it they leave. That's how awful it is. But I'm tired of them not fighting hard. I think they are too willing to play the game.

If I was ever elected President, I wouldn't care a bit about reelection. I'd attack the federal bureacracy with a vengence. I'd audit the crap out of them myself, I can read general ledgers like others read novels. I'd fire the ones breaking the rules and prosecute those in charge that can't account for the their budget money and where it went.

You can do a lot if you don't care about playing their game. Four years is a lot of time. Instead of not giving news conferences, I'd give as many as I could. I'd also call any journalist that asked a pinhead question a pinhead and take them on intellectually. I'd destroy them debating their point as they realize I'm beyond their talking points.

I once was doing contract work for my wife's company that processes payroll. They were new, growing, etc. They were having problems with IRS and state notices about tax problems with their clients. You can't believe how bad it is with moron government workers. Anyway, this CEO hired me to study the notices and limit them. I found enough problems in the company's methods to show they were making mistakes. But the CEO wanted to deal with the IRS better.

So he calls up some accounting firms...the big ones. He then asked me to attend a meeting with Deloitte and Touche representatives about their proposal. So I sit there with the CEO, the COO, a few VP's, my wife and we listen to what they have to say. It's all about how they have so many CPA's that worked for many, many years in the IRS and the Social Security administration. Bells start going off in my head.

They then want to basically charge us $120 an hour to have their guys schmooze the IRS and SS for us. I was incensed. So I asked a few questions. Then my wife jumped in with the meat of the problem...she asked, "so, can you stop these ridiculous notices we get from one IRS office in Arizona because we followed the LAW on a requirment the office in Memphis sent us that said client so and so had to shift to a 3 day posting of their 941 to the bank rather than a 7 day posting Arizona said we must follow?" (Get this, the IRS even penalizes and charges interest on the penalty if you pay EARLY).

The CPA (I was in accounting long enough without one to tell you it really stands for Certified Pulic A-holes...I never met one that could reconcile a simple bank account...sorry to all you decent CPA's out there...again, never met one.) from Deloitte said, "of course, we know the system, our staff has decades of experience working for the IRS". So I had to ask, "I see. So, if you know, for a fact, that the IRS has conflicting rules and regulations and doesn't coordinate their efforts, treats people rudly, sends out notices for a rounding error of 5 cents, and you WORKED for them and are now making a living selling your inside knowledge...how the F (yes, I used the F word) do you sleep at night?"

You could have heard a pin drop in that room. Needless to say they weren't hired and in six months my wife and I cleared up all the notices (most were just bad usage of the system to log and track them...typical).

This is how I look at government. I see it constantly. It's wasteful, unaccountable and it allows jerks to sell the access from Congressmen to adminstration employees to state employees and more to milk us for access.

I've had enough and I want a party to stand up to the bureaucracy and get back to common sense and simple basics. They just hire people for the sake of hiring them and since they are mostly unionized, they get paid high salaries to give their dues, forced, to the unions that support the DNC and the left. Every single one of us are taxed to death to pay for their agenda and I'm tired of it. < /rant >

[philman_36]

"This is a microcosm of what people don't like about Washington, D.C. It's all about process and politics and not about substance," Bayh said.

Kind of like your response here...?
"We should say something to that effect," Bayh said.
Should, but won't?

[philman_36]

Because we are gluttons for punishment.
My first thought and response was...Speak for yourself!
"I see. So, if you know, for a fact, that the IRS has conflicting rules and regulations and doesn't coordinate their efforts, treats people rudly, sends out notices for a rounding error of 5 cents, and you WORKED for them and are now making a living selling your inside knowledge...how the F (yes, I used the F word) do you sleep at night?"
Then you illustrate how you did speak for yourself and I don't get your "gluttons for punishment" concept. If you're not then why do you presume that others (we) are too?
Maybe your response should've been "Republican politicians are gluttons for punishment."

[Fledermaus]

Maybe your response should've been "Republican politicians are gluttons for punishment."

Thanks, you are correct. I revise and extend my remarks! lol

[bitcon]

If you did all that in office I'd vote you in for a second term without thinking about it.
If you think its bad there come to BC. The unions are in control of everything. The teachers union was asking for a 32% increase a couple years ago and the nurses threatened to resign on mass. The gov't essentialy said F you legislated a settlement to both and told the nurses if they resigned they would be coming back at an entry level wage. And now just to piss them off more they're privatising food and laundry services in the hospitals. Yes that's right our laundry and food services in hospitals are unionized and paid by the gov't.

[Fledermaus]

I assume BC is British Columbia. I fear for the western providences of Canada.

[zarf]

I've heard enough interviews with him to know he's the best of a bad lot.

[DeuceTraveler]

"I've heard enough interviews with him to know he's the best of a bad lot."

Heh. It's not saying much for them, is it?

[bitcon]

Yes it is British Columbia. Alberta is a good Western province. The other two aren't very good. I think it was Manitoba that was the first place the elect a socialist gov't in North America. BC could go either way. The left leaning city gov't in Vancouver is dumb as hell and doesn't know what's going on. The people are mad so they may continue to move to the right.