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Door May Be Open for Hil (Hillary Clinton in '04 Alert)
NY Daily News ^ | 11.09.2003 | Michael R. Blood

Posted on 11/09/2003 7:12:05 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick

Door may be open for Hil

With no Dem front-runner, pros say she could step in

With none of the Democratic presidential wanna-bes rising out of the teens in national polls, some political experts are theorizing that it could happen - Sen. Hillary Clinton gets into the race.

"If nobody ... solidifies a position by mid-March, I think you are going to find a real surge and opportunity for someone like Hillary," said Donald Robinson, a professor of government at Smith College.

"It presents, maybe for the first time since 1952, [the chance] of a candidate coming from outside the pack," Robinson added.

"As long as Hillary is around, she is always going to be the Cinderella candidate, whether it's now or four months from now," said Democratic consultant Norman Adler.

Clinton has said she will not be a candidate in 2004, but it hasn't been missed that she trounces the Democratic candidates in national polls.

The senator may be prodded to get into it by concern that former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean could win the nomination.

Although Dean leads the pack with only 17%, his prospects were bolstered last week when two of the country's largest unions indicated that he was their man.

Sources close to the New York senator and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have made it clear that they think the dovish Dean would be ruinous for the Democratic Party. Those concerns were factors in Bill Clinton's behind-the-scenes urging of retired Gen. Wesley Clark to throw his hat in. But Clark has yet to take command of the race.

The Democratic primary calendar was shuffled after the last election to select a nominee early and give the candidate plenty of time to raise cash for the fight with Bush.

Instead, the change is threatening to leave Democrats without a clear-cut front-runner and the nominee, presumably determined by mid-March, could be someone largely unknown to many voters.

One Democratic nightmare is that Rep. Dick Gephardt wins Iowa, Dean takes New Hampshire and Sen. John Edwards tops the pack in South Carolina. No one drops out and no one catches fire.

By some accounts, it's possible Democrats could go to their July convention without a certain nominee for the first time in decades.

The possibility of an unsettled convention is not an idle matter among some Democrats.

"If we get 38% percent on the first ballot, who do we go to" to get the other 12%? asked one strategist whose campaign is tracking rivals' delegates in case they need to be picked off at the convention.

The notion of a last-minute Clinton candidacy would depend on her being able to quickly change her public stance and mobilize support.

It's clear that Clinton isn't getting into the early primaries. The deadline for candidates to get on the primary ballot in Missouri - a key swing state - is just nine days away. The deadline in New Hampshire, which holds the nation's first primary on Jan. 27, is Nov. 21. Others quickly follow.

The strategy of skipping those contests would defy the accepted wisdom of presidential politics that the nominee must get in early and win knockouts in first-round primaries like Iowa and New Hampshire.

"She's too late for Iowa and probably too late for New Hampshire. But of course she's Hillary and might not need Iowa and New Hampshire," Adler said.

"No one but her could go from a standing start in Iowa to winning," said GOP strategist Rick Wilson. "It's not impossible but neither is it easy."



TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2004; 666; antichrist; blackpantsuit; booba; clinton; godhelpus; hildabeaste; hillary; hillaryclinton; oldcrusty; rodham; whoreofbabylon
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To: NYC GOP Chick
I hope she does. She does even worse in polls head to head against Bush than Dean or Clark do.

Her odds of actually winning nationally against a single opponent are nil. The only way I'd worry is if there were a Buchanan-type to split the Republican vote, but even then, no, I don't think she could win.

Qwinn
21 posted on 11/09/2003 7:29:54 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Bring on the Bitch! We're going to have to dance this dance sooner or later, bring her on!, while she still thinks she controls destiny. That'll make her defeat, and all that prophecy she/he imagine accompany her/them, the more painstakenly dramatic.
22 posted on 11/09/2003 7:31:10 PM PST by kcar (T)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Hillary would only come in if the polls indicated that she'd have a good to excellent chance of not only winning the Demo. nomination, but beating Bush. If the economy's still in the tank and Iraq has devolved into civil war come Spring, then maybe. Otherwise, she'll just let the current crop fight it out for the nomination, clearing the way for her mostly-uncontested nomination in '08 after the Democrats lose to Bush (43) in '04.
23 posted on 11/09/2003 7:31:40 PM PST by tagryn
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'm with you. I ain't a-scared of the hildabeast. I'd like to get it over with and beat her ass so we can be done with her already.
24 posted on 11/09/2003 7:33:17 PM PST by Huck
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To: NYC GOP Chick
She's too late for Iowa and probably too late for New Hampshire. But of course she's Hillary ...

So, we could reschedule all the state primaries to dates that she suggests. Rules don't matter.

25 posted on 11/09/2003 7:33:18 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (France delenda est)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; LADY J
Cinderella, heck!

One of the Ugly Sisters, more likely.


26 posted on 11/09/2003 7:33:29 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: umgud
Oh dear, this is a sexist remark you know. No one cares what the men politicans look like you know. Have you checked out Ted lately? How bout Spector? Come on now, we can't judge em by looks can we? :-)

Were there enough You knows in there?

27 posted on 11/09/2003 7:33:36 PM PST by ladyinred (Talk about a revolution, look at California!!! We dumped Davis!!!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Bring it on.

I'd just like to see her try to raise enough cash LEGALLY.

Her biggest fans are slip sliding away.
28 posted on 11/09/2003 7:37:18 PM PST by ChemistCat (Hang in there, Terri. Absorb. Take in. Live. Heal.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Hillary get`s into the race? Hillary got into the race the micro-second she won the Senate race of that liberal sphincter hole New York!!! Book tour? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH!!!!
29 posted on 11/09/2003 7:39:50 PM PST by metalboy (Liberals-Nuke `em from orbit. It`s the only way to be sure.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
But...but... she PROMISED to finish her senatorial term...
30 posted on 11/09/2003 7:42:58 PM PST by pabianice
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To: NYC GOP Chick
There's a direct wire from hildabeast's brain to the New York Daily News. They would NEVER print an article like this without clearing it with the boss.

I've also been saying for some time that she'll run in 2004. She has no choice. She's getting older. She risks losing control of the DNC. She risks falling out of fashion as a celebrity. She can't afford to wait 5 more years.

It will be tough for her to run against Bush, but I wouldn't count her out. She is absolutely ruthless. She controls the party, the press, and a lot of world leaders. She has pots of money and blackmail materials on every important person in the country. She is very dangerous.
31 posted on 11/09/2003 7:43:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Qwinn
Hillary could slip in as the VP candidate in a no-lose situation. She could stil run in '08 if they lose in '04. If they win, well, accidents do happen.

She very well could slip in as the Pres candidate in the middle of the rat convention. She could walk right in and assume what she believes to be her birthright, and the entire pack of rats nationwide, nay, worldwide would scurry to battle at ther side. It would be the perfect rat storm with the schools, the media, entertainment, everyone coming to her side, building into a tremendous crescendo the likes of which the world has never seen. She would have three months of constant adulation in every medium imaginable, with simultaneous multiple dirty tricks being sprung on W. She could make it a real horse race, but, in the end, the nag would lose.
32 posted on 11/09/2003 7:45:21 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("You're it!")
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To: Flux Capacitor
Dean supporters are post-Clinton Democrats. They supported Clinton in the past because they did not want a sitting Democratic President ousted by what they felt was a "dirty GOP legal trick". It does not mean they were not disgusted by what the Clintons did to their party. If Sen Clinton steps in and attempts to derail Dean, she will lose in 2004 because these Dean supporters would sit at home on election day.
33 posted on 11/09/2003 7:46:32 PM PST by Fee
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To: Fee
. If Sen Clinton steps in and attempts to derail Dean, she will lose in 2004 because these Dean supporters would sit at home on election day.

You misunderstand the rats. They are motivated by their hatred of Republicans. They will vote for anyone they think could defeat W.

34 posted on 11/09/2003 7:49:09 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ("You're it!")
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Bring it on.
35 posted on 11/09/2003 7:49:48 PM PST by Texas Eagle
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Sources close to the New York senator and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, have made it clear that they think the dovish Dean would be ruinous for the Democratic Party. Those concerns were factors in Bill Clinton's behind-the-scenes urging of retired Gen. Wesley Clark to throw his hat in.

Still want Backstabbin' Bubba in your administration, Howie?

36 posted on 11/09/2003 7:54:33 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I agree with everything you said, including what the nature of the "campaign" would be like.

"but, in the end, the nag would lose."

Which was the only point I was trying to make :)

Qwinn
37 posted on 11/09/2003 7:57:21 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: NYC GOP Chick
The Beast will not declare until the 'Rat Convention when the succubus will mythically rise with the media in full swoon. Dangerous times ahead.
38 posted on 11/09/2003 7:59:10 PM PST by VRWC For Truth
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To: Jeff Chandler
Could you imagine the media, if she did become the VP, and the President didn't meet her friend, R. Ken Side? They would run to her for all of the answers. Whoever was President would constantly be in her ample shadow.
39 posted on 11/09/2003 8:02:20 PM PST by Paul Atreides (Is it really so difficult to post the entire article?)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; Howlin; Liz; RonDog
With no Dem front-runner...

I fully expect this headline for generations to come...

40 posted on 11/09/2003 8:05:29 PM PST by Libloather (I smell a RAT. Could be the pantsuit...)
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