The 2004 Election is Over, Now

Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 11 November 2003 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

[cilbupeR_eerF]

"There are many things she and her husband could do to change the balance, such as provoking an international incident of some kind, manipulating their stooges in the FBI, CIA, or other parts of the administration, or if necessary giving President Bush a pair of cement overshoes."

Cement overshoes?
Who would our contingency candidate be if Bush is assasinated?

[potlatch]

I love the background on that!

[DugwayDuke]

"She (Hillary) will not attempt to do that until two conditions have been met. They are: ... 2. All major polls agree that Dean is headed for a Dukakis-sized defeat at the hands of George Bush."

I don't understand "2". Why should Hillary care if Dean loses to Bush like Texas A&M did to OU? Looks to me like a big loss to Bush would consolidate her claim to the crown in 08. After all, she could claim that she is the only person capable of restoring the WH to the Democrats. The old "It takes a Clinton to beat the GOP" claim.

[JohnnyZ]

Having said that...the GOP doesn't have a candidate for 08. Bill Owen from Colorado?

There have been a couple of threads about that already. Basically, there are senators (Hagel, Snowe, Nickles, Frist, et al), governors (Pawlenty, Sanford, Pataki, Owens, Bush, Benson, et al), and a governor turned senator (George Allen). Plus a Mayor and a National Security Advisor.

[185JHP]

I think your analysis is astute. Within shouting distance of bein' scintillatin'.

[Unknown Freeper]

bump for later read

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Thanks for your excellent analysis!

BTW, regarding your comment:

[It is unfortunately necessary to factor in the possibility that Hillary Clinton will "parachute in" and take the nomination away from Dean at the last minute. She will not attempt to do that until two conditions have been met. They are: 1. Dean has in hand almost, but not quite enough, delegates to the Democratic convention for a mathematical lock on the nomination. 2. All major polls agree that Dean is headed for a Dukakis-sized defeat at the hands of George Bush.]

I would add:

3. Internal polling shows that Hitlery is within striking distance of Bush (10-15%?).

[Congressman Billybob]

This is a two-step process. If Hillary!, thinking strictly and solely of the interests of Hillary!, decides to steal the nomination from Dean at the last moment, the polls showing that Dean can't win against Bush will be her principal ammunition.

If, on the other hand, Hillary! decides that Hillary! cannot beat Bush in '04, she will ignore those polls and give public lip service to Dean as the "able nominee" who should "win" the election. In the meantime, Hillary! and her flying monkeys will work hard behind the scenes to guarantee that Dean goes down in flames. Then, Hillary! can offer herself to "save" the Democrats in '08.

If Hillary! wants the brass ring in '04, she will make much of Dean's poor polls against Bush. If Hillary! wants the brass ring in '08, she will rejoice in a Dean loss in '04. That's the distinction I draw.

John / Billybob

[paul51]

Since the election is 'over', help me understand something more important that relates to those poker tournaments. If a guy goes 'all in' and let's say he has $500K, how does someone with $200K call him?

[Huck]

I don't like Senators as presidential candidates. IMO, Senators aren't leaders. I especially don't like Frist. He's milquetoast.

[Interesting Times]

Wesley Clark has already demonstrated that he is a stalking horse – or sock puppet if you will – for the Clintons (both of them).

Stalking puppet? Sock Horse???

Actually, after Dean's recent malaprops, I'm no longer convinced he's the nominee. Granted, he got out there in front of the "we really hate Bush" bandwagon, but I don't think he has the chops to go the distance.

Ah, well, time will tell...

[Clintonfatigued]

You're off when you say Dean would probably win only Vermont and D.C., while Hitlery would probably win only New York and D.C. The 'Rats will definintely win D.C., Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maryland, & New York, and probably Illinois, Vermont, & Connecticut. They have even-or-slightly better-than-even chances in California, Washington state, Oregon, Michigan, & Delaware. Speaking from history, I think the 'Rats have a good shot at Wisconsin, Minnesota, & Iowa, which are historically skeptical of military actions (Bush only ran as well as he did there because of the corruption of the Clinton administration). Also, West Virginia only supported Bush because a Clinton-appointed Federal judge banned mountain-top strip-mining & the Gore campaign took it for granted. But I don't see the 'Rats carrying anything else in 2004.

[Brian Allen]

<< If Hillary parachutes in, she has an even chance of defeating Bush. That's the REAL nightmare scenerio. >>

That's a real delusional fantasy.

If hitlery oozes in, United States of America's President and Armed-Forces Commander-In-Chief, George Walker Bush, will win all but the fewer than 50 Electoral College votes the "DemocRATS" closely-US Attorney-General and FBI-monitered massive electoral fraud machine will scrape up -- and will beat her 65% to 35%.

[nopardons]

A quite brilliant tract; however, I have one total disagreement with what you wrote ...that which concerns Hillary.

Dean is a juggernaut, now, and with winning the first three primaries and then the subsiquent ones, he will have more than enough delegates, for him, and him ALONE, to win the nominationation, at the convention,on the first ballot. Clark is in a rapid decline; nothing can, nor shall save him now. With each passing week, Clark's negatives rise and his numbers head south.

Unless every single one of the eight dwarves ( Dean exclude, hence the 8 ), bow to Hillary, donate their delegates to her ( and even those numbers may not be enough, vis-a-vis Dean's final number of delegates )she hasn't a chance of a coup, at the Dem convention ! And, with only a few scant months, from mid August, to the first few days of November, she hasn't eneough time to stonewall; her usual tactic.

Does she have FBI files on every single one of the nine dwarves? Maybe. Does Al Sharpton care if she does ? No way; his life is more or less an open book and he won't fold. Neither will he has many delegates, so, he gains NOTHING, by folding. Little Joe would fold, but he's at the same level, or lower, in some places, than Sharpton. Kerry ? He too might fold. Braun ? She won't get a single delegate. Gephart ? That's a 50-50. Kucinich ? Oh pleas...he's also going nowhere; in a hurry.

As you started out with ... this'll be President Bush V. Dean and Dean is NOT going to take Hillary on as V.P. ! It's going to be somewhat closer than you think, but President Bush WILL be re-elected.

Still and all, we MUST all go and vote for President Bush, as though he were facing THE strongest opponent ever! Why ? Because WE, all of us, must, must, MUST give him a landslide and a larger majority in bouth House; that's why.

[Impy]

PA is definitely in play.

I don't see Dean winning WV even being pro-gun.

The most likely Gore states to vote for Bush are imo NM which Gore won probably by fraud and by a smaller % of votes then Bush won Florida and MN which is trending GOP.

Maine splits it's votes one for the winner of each CD and 2 for whoever wins the state at large. The rat will probably win it overall but Bush could win ME-02.

[MeekOneGOP]

bttt to read this article later !

The real story is that this election is now over. Howard Dean (or "James Dean," as a reporterette for Fox News called him once) now owns the Democratic nomination. George Bush now owns the general election. And once you've finished reading this column, you don't need to read anything else about this election except the long, or impressively long, list of states that Bush will carry in that election.

[PJ-Comix]

Consider the national and international poker tournaments now being carried variously on ESPN or the Travel Channel.

My FAVORITE sport to watch on ESPN! (I didn't know the Travel Channel carried Hold 'Em.)

[PJ-Comix]

He has repeatedly described himself as representing "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."

He stole that line from Paul Wellstone.

[PJ-Comix]

He offers, and she accepts, the support of all of his pledged delegates on the earliest ballot at the convention when they are free to change.

Yeah, Hillary will gain BOTH of Clark's delegates.