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In rare Jewish appearance, Soros says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism (Bush policies too!)
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| 11-7-03
| Uriel Heilman
Posted on 11/09/2003 8:05:32 AM PST by veronica
Its not often that George Soros, the billionaire financier and philanthropist, makes an appearance before a Jewish audience.
Its even rarer for him to use such an occasion to talk about Israel, Jews and his own role in effecting political change.
So when Soros stepped to the podium Wednesday to address those issues at a conference of the Jewish Funders Network, audience members were listening carefully.
Many were surprised by what they heard.
When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States.
There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that, Soros said. Its not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti-Semitism as well. Im critical of those policies.
If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish, he said. I cant see how one could confront it directly.
That is a point made by Israels most vociferous critics, whom some Jewish activists charge with using anti-Zionism as a guise for anti-Semitism.
The billionaire financier said he, too, bears some responsibility for the new anti-Semitism, citing last months speech by Malaysias outgoing prime minister, Mahathir Mohammad, who said, Jews rule the world by proxy.
Im also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world, said Soros, whose projects and funding have influenced governments and promoted various political causes around the world.
As an unintended consequence of my actions, he said, I also contribute to that image.
After the conference, some Jewish leaders who heard about the speech reacted angrily to Soros remarks.
Lets understand things clearly: Anti-Semitism is not caused by Jews; its caused by anti-Semites, said Elan Steinberg, senior advisor at the World Jewish Congress. One can certainly be critical of Bush policy or Sharon policy, but any deviation from the understanding of the real cause of anti-Semitism is not merely a disservice, but a historic lie.
Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, called Soros comments absolutely obscene.
He buys into the stereotype, Foxman said. Its a simplistic, counterproductive, biased and bigoted perception of whats out there. Its blaming the victim for all of Israels and the Jewish peoples ills.
Furthermore, Foxman said, If he sees that his position of being who he is may contribute to the perception of anti-Semitism, whats his solution to himself that he give up his money? That he close his mouth?
Associates said Soros appearance Wednesday was the first they could ever recall in which the billionaire, a Hungarian-born U.S. Jew who escaped the Holocaust by fleeing to London as a child, had spoken in front of a Jewish group or attended a Jewish function.
The one-day meeting on funding in Israel, which took place at the Harvard Club in New York, was limited mostly to representatives of Jewish philanthropic foundations.
After Soros speech, Michael Steinhardt, the real-estate magnate and Jewish philanthropist who arranged for Soros to address the group, said in an interview that Soros views do not reflect those of most Jewish millionaires or philanthropists.
He also pointed out that this was Soros first speech to a Jewish audience.
Steinhardt approached the lectern and interrupted Soros immediately after his remarks on anti-Semitism.
George Soros does not think Jews should be hated any more than they deserve to be, Steinhardt said by way of clarification, eliciting chuckles from the audience.
Steinhardt then gave the lectern back to Soros, who said he had something to add to his remarks on the issue of anti-Semitism. Soros then paused to ask if there were any journalists in the room.
When he learned that there were, Soros withheld further comment.
Mark Charendoff, president of the group that hosted the conference, said he was pleased overall with the Soros event.
We found him to be enormously frank, candid and generous with his time, Charendoff said. I would be delighted if Mr. Soros would bring his passion, his brilliance and his resources to a range of different causes that are important to the Jewish community.
Charendoff is not alone.
Regardless of what they think of his politics, most Jewish activists likely would welcome Soros participation in the world of Jewish philanthropy.
Though hes ranked as the 28th richest person in the United States by Forbes magazine with a fortune valued at $7 billion Soros has given scant money to Jewish causes.
Soros first known funding of a Jewish group came in 1997, when his Open Society Institutes Emma Lazarus Fund gave $1.3 million to the Council of Jewish Federations, and when Soros gave another $1.3 million to the Jewish Fund for Justice, an anti-poverty group.
As much as Jews may not like what Soros has to say at Wednesdays meeting, he called for regime change in the United States and talked of funding projects in Palestine they are eager to get Soros involved in giving to Jewish causes.
In many ways, this was an introduction for Soros, Charendoff said. He remarked to me how impressed he was with the quality of the people he met. We can only hope that this was a beginning of an engagement with the Jewish funding world.
Soros said he has not given much to Jewish or Israel-related causes because Jews take care of their own, so that his financial clout is better directed elsewhere.
Steinhardt tried to correct him on that point, saying the field of Jewish giving is not as crowded as Soros thinks.
Even if we were a crowded field, Steinhardt told Soros, Im sure we could make room for you.
During his speech, Soros announced that he would support the Geneva accord, an unofficial Middle East peace plan proposed by two out-of-office politicians, Israels Yossi Beilin and Palestinian Yasser Abed Rabbo.
That plan envisions two states along pre-1967 borders and a shared Jerusalem, and is vague on the demand that Palestinian refugees from 1948 be allowed to return to Israel.
It was not clear whether Soros support of the plan would involve funding. Beilins office did not return a call seeking comment.
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To: veronica
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posted on
11/09/2003 9:47:40 AM PST
by
KC_for_Freedom
(Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
To: veronica
Though hes ranked as the 28th richest person in the United States by Forbes magazine with a fortune valued at $7 billion Soros has given scant money to Jewish causes.Sounds like he'd be happy to contribute to some nice little Jewish transportation cause -- like the Cattle Cars To Concentration Camps fund.
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posted on
11/09/2003 9:47:52 AM PST
by
Lazamataz
(PROUDLY SCARING FELLOW FREEPERS SINCE 1999 !!!!)
To: Celtjew Libertarian
Why is that ironic? Didn't Soros help create the massive economic crisis in south east asia a few years back via currency manipulation?
To: Akira
Who wrote his speech, Chomsky?Trotsky
To: FreedomSurge
The irony is that a Jew who has been the personal subject of anti-Semitic attacks would be blaming fellows Jews for the attacks.
It would be -- to use a metaphor used elsewhere on this thread -- a rape victim blaming other women for rape, rather than rapists.
25
posted on
11/09/2003 10:04:05 AM PST
by
Celtjew Libertarian
(Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
To: veronica
Lets understand things clearly: Anti-Semitism is not caused by Jews; its caused by anti-Semites, said Elan Steinberg, senior advisor at the World Jewish Congress.
Excellent analysis. We could take it even further and say:
- AIDS is not caused by a lack of clean needle giveaway programs. It is caused by addicts injecting themselves with drugs using contaminated needles.
- Overdoses are not caused by a lack of government-run injection centers. They are caused by addicts injecting themselves with drugs.
- Robbery and burglary are not caused by the WOD. They are caused by robbers and burglars.
- Prison rape is not caused by the WOD. It is caused by rapists.
- Drive-by shootings are not caused by the WOD. They are caused by drive-by shooters.
- Gun violence is not caused by guns, but by those engaged in gun violence.
To: lormand
Soros doesn't hate himself; he loves himself. It's other Jews he hates, excepting of course other Jewish millionaires.
I hate admit it, but like a stopped clock, even Abe Foxman is right on occasion.
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posted on
11/09/2003 10:26:29 AM PST
by
mrustow
(no tag)
To: lormand
Exactly. If only their self-hatred consumed only them, we would be rid of those destructive to an entire people.
28
posted on
11/09/2003 11:06:18 AM PST
by
tubavil
To: Cultural Jihad; yall
"There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe.
The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that.
It´s not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti- Semitism as well. I´m critical of those policies."
-Soros-
"Let's understand things clearly: Anti-Semitism is not caused by Jews; it's caused by anti-Semites"
-Steinberg-
Soros did not say 'Anti-Semitism is caused by Jews" .. He said, - "policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to" anti-semitism.
Excellent analysis.
-CJ-
No, Stienbergs remark is an excellent example of agit-prop.
29
posted on
11/09/2003 11:09:53 AM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: veronica
As a prosperous Jewish child of Holocaust survivors, who lives not a 5 minute walk from Soros' NYC home, and makes a nice living competing with the man, I am physially repelled by this.
To: NativeNewYorker; everyone
"In rare Jewish appearance, Soros says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism"
-Uriel Heilman-
NativeNewYorker wrote:
As a prosperous Jewish child of Holocaust survivors, who lives not a 5 minute walk from Soros' NYC home, and makes a nice living competing with the man, I am physially repelled by this.
I don't 'get it'..
Obviously, Soros did not say this.. The article, and the quotes by Soros attackers, are agit-prop..
What exactly has Soros done that engengers all this hatred for him?
[I am not his supporter, just curious]
31
posted on
11/09/2003 11:39:19 AM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: lormand
Ah yes, the self-hating Jew.
The man eager to apologize to Himmler, Heydrich, and Arafat for his own people's stubborn desire for liberty, even as the latter desires to fire up a new row of ovens.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
32
posted on
11/09/2003 11:41:50 AM PST
by
section9
(Major Kusanagi says, "Click on my pic and read my blog, or eat lead!")
To: veronica
When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States. And what does Soros believe was the cause of Euro anti-Semitism before Israel even existed? ....You know, the time when 6 million were slaughtered?
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posted on
11/09/2003 11:42:19 AM PST
by
Mr. Mojo
To: Mr. Mojo
what --- was the cause of Euro anti-Semitism before Israel even existed? ....You know, the time when 6 million were slaughtered?
-mojo-
"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation. We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion.
-Arthur Koestler-
'The disaster of history in the modern day middle east is mainly due to mans excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, religion or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason & survival.'
- paraphrasing Koestler-
34
posted on
11/09/2003 11:53:30 AM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: tpaine
Mr. Soros is not known for his subtlety or mainstream rhetoric. There is nothing in this article that I deem impossible for him to have spoken.
Naturally I am assuming the article is accurate, and reacting accordingly.
To: NativeNewYorker; yall
"In rare Jewish appearance, Soros says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism"
-Uriel Heilman-
NativeNewYorker wrote:
As a prosperous Jewish child of Holocaust survivors, who lives not a 5 minute walk from Soros' NYC home, and makes a nice living competing with the man, I am physially repelled by this.
I don't 'get it'..
Obviously, Soros did not say this..
The article, and the quotes by Soros attackers, are agit-prop..
What exactly has Soros done that engengers all this hatred for him?
[I am not his supporter, just curious]
31 -tpaine-
NativeNewYorker wrote:
Mr. Soros is not known for his subtlety or mainstream rhetoric. There is nothing in this article that I deem impossible for him to have spoken.
Naturally I am assuming the article is accurate, and reacting accordingly
Typical. -- You can't really answer my question, so you imply there is something in the article that Soros said that justified the attacks.
What is it? -- Where's the 'beef'?
THe silence here is deafening.
36
posted on
11/09/2003 12:27:22 PM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: tpaine
State your question in a format that I understand, and I'll answer it.
To: NativeNewYorker; everyone
What exactly has Soros done that engengers all this hatred for him?
31 tpaine
NativeNewYorker wrote:
State your question in a format that I understand, and I'll answer it.
Why is Soros hated?
At #36 you said:
"I am physially repelled by this."
What 'repelled' you?
38
posted on
11/09/2003 2:15:33 PM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: yall; veronica; NativeNewYorker; everyone
What exactly has Soros done that engengers all this hatred for him?
31 tpaine
NativeNewYorker wrote:
State your question in a format that I understand, and I'll answer it.
Why is Soros hated?
At #30 you said:
"I am physially repelled by this."
What 'repelled' you?
39
posted on
11/09/2003 2:18:16 PM PST
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Red Baron in me.)
To: tpaine
1) Soros is hated by many on the political right for his enormous funding of their lefty opponents. Personally, I think he's within his rights to dispose of his property as he sees fit, and support the causes he chooses, tho I may disagree with him.
2) My revulsion here is at his promoting the notion that the victims of anti-semitism, which included many many members of my family, somehow brought it on themselves.
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