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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
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| November 7, 2003
| sweetliberty
Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty
TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)
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Contained in Thread 4:
Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.
There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.
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Click on pic for Terri's website
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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.
If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.
There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!
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Latest threads On Terri's Case
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Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case
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Judge Bans Terri Schiavo's Parents From Legal Battle
Dean 'Appalled' That Florida Lawmakers Saved Schiavo
A Woman's Life Versus an Inept Press (Nat Hentoff on Terri Schiavo
Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian
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Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
581
posted on
11/08/2003 9:47:09 PM PST
by
Pegita
('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
1994
Feb - Judge Penick dismisses guardianship suit.
Apr - Terri moved to Palm Gardens Nursing Home.
From Terrisfight.org
582
posted on
11/08/2003 9:48:18 PM PST
by
Diva Betsy Ross
((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
To: sweetliberty
Can't explain it, sweetliberty ... shows for me every which way I turn .. I'm off to meditate and contemplate ..
583
posted on
11/08/2003 9:52:02 PM PST
by
Pegita
('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
To: sweetliberty
You have incoming e-mail ...
584
posted on
11/08/2003 9:59:16 PM PST
by
Pegita
('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
To: Pegita
Friends: Husband's love means he must let go
By Rich McKay and Maya Bell
Sentinel Staff Writers
October 26, 2003
ST. PETERSBURG -- When doctors disconnected the feeding tube that has sustained Terri Schiavo for 13 years, her husband, Michael, was by her side.
He bent over, fixed her hair and gently kissed her forehead. It was the moment he had fought for -- what he saw as the beginning of the end of his 39-year-old wife's tragic existence.
"You would have to see him in the room with Terri. The way he looks at her. The way he kisses her. The way he fixes her hair," said Wilma Mackay, a friend who joined Schiavo on Oct. 15 for the vigil at Terri's bedside. "This is a man who still loves his wife. He never fell out of love with her, and because of that love he has to let her go."
The 40-year-old "gentle giant" described by Mackay and others is a far cry from the image Terri's parents have portrayed to millions of people via the Internet: a heartless monster willing, perhaps even eager, to let his wife starve to death so he can get her money.
Bob and Mary Schindler's campaign to save their daughter won an important victory last week when the Florida Legislature voted to give Gov. Jeb Bush the power to order Terri's feeding tube reattached.
The move left Michael Schiavo feeling betrayed, his friends and brothers say.
"He feels Terri has been done an injustice by the state of Florida," said Brian Schiavo, 44. "He's hung in there to do what he knows Terri wants."
Now Michael Schiavo, who has shunned the press and declined to be interviewed for this story, plans to make his case Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live.
Schiavo's family hopes viewers see a man who has fought as hard to preserve Terri's dignity as to end her life.
"He never wanted this for Terri. This was a private matter," Mackay said. "He said if by some miracle Terri would come back she would be mortified that she was front and foremost in the newspapers in the condition she was in. She was vain and a very beautiful woman. He never wanted this for her."
Youngest of 5
This is, Michael Schiavo's friends and family say, a rare and tragic love story.
Michael Schiavo is the youngest of five brothers and the biggest -- growing to a man of 6 feet 6 inches and 240 pounds. Now his hair and goatee are more gray than the blond of his youth.
He grew up in Levittown, Pa., in suburban Philadelphia, the son of Bill and Clara Schiavo. His father worked a steady white-collar job as a safety engineer for AT&T. His mother was a stay-at-home mom who could make meatloaf 100 different ways -- all of them good.
Bill Schiavo Jr., Michael Schiavo's 49-year-old brother, said the family was Lutheran and regularly attended Sunday services. The boys attended Bible camps in the summer and lived as their parents taught them: to believe in God, but to keep their deepest feelings and emotional pain to themselves.
"I know Mike has to be struggling with this, asking God all the questions," Bill Schiavo said. But talking to strangers -- to the media -- is something out of character for his brother.
At Woodrow Wilson High School, Michael Schiavo, handsome and confident, had a lot of girlfriends.
After graduating in 1980, he enrolled in Bucks County Community College and was smitten by Theresa "Terri" Schindler, a shy but striking girl who was the ultimate animal lover.
"He fell in love with her right away," Scott Schiavo, Michael's 42-year-old brother who lives in Fairless Hills, Pa. "She fit right in. When the five of us brothers got together, it was all jokes and laughs and picking on each other. Terri was more like a sister than a sister-in-law."
Michael and Terri dropped out of community college in 1982. She became an office clerk, and he went to work full time at a local McDonald's restaurant. Eager for a life away from the frozen North, Michael and Terri moved to Florida in 1986, living in a St. Petersburg Beach condominium owned by Terri's parents.
Friends said Michael Schiavo began managing restaurants. He worked late nights and saw little of his wife, who worked during the day for an insurance company. The Schindlers say Michael Schiavo was a controlling and, at times, abusive, husband. They say the couple talked of divorce, but Michael Schiavo's friends and family say none of that is true.
"They had a perfect marriage," Brian Schiavo said. "He adored her."
Brian Schiavo said he will never forget his brother's panicked phone call from the hospital the morning of Feb. 25, 1990.
'He was crying'
" 'She won't wake up! She won't wake up!' " Brian Schiavo recalled his brother shouting into the phone. "He was crying. I didn't understand what he was talking about, but you could hear his anguish."
Hours earlier, Terri Schiavo suffered a heart attack doctors say was brought on by a potassium deficiency. Her heart stopped beating, and doctors say her brain was starved of oxygen for about five minutes.
Terri has never been fully awake since then, doctors say. All but a few doctors who have examined Terri say it is only her reflexes that appear to respond to light, sound and touch. Those doctors say Terri died 13 years ago and that her body lived on without her. Michael Schiavo's friends and family say it took him seven years to come to grips with that.
He kept vigil at her side and, according to court records, sought aggressive rehabilitative therapy. He took her to California for experimental surgery, admitted her to a brain-injury center in Bradenton and hired an aide to take her to parks, to museums, to the beauty shop -- anything to stimulate her.
He took classes at St. Petersburg Community College in 1991 and began studying nursing -- so he could better care for his wife. Today, Michael Schiavo is a respiratory therapist and an emergency-room nurse at a Pinellas County hospital.
"He sees this stuff every day. He's an ER nurse," Brian Schiavo said. "It takes a special person to do that."
But there was nothing Michael Schiavo could do to draw Terri out of her silent cocoon and, over time, her husband accepted her doctors' prognosis. Her cerebral cortex was gone. She could not think, talk or reason and never would again.
It was his mother's death in 1997 that made him realize Terri needed to be allowed to die. In 1998, he asked Pinellas Circuit Judge George W. Greer to order his wife's twice-a-day artificial feedings halted, and after an emotional trial, Greer agreed, setting off an endless round of appeals by her parents.
"I never wanted Terri to die," Michael Schiavo wrote in a statement released Oct. 15. "I still don't. After more than seven years of desperately searching for a cure for Terri, the death of my own mother helped me realize that I was fooling myself. More important, I was hiding behind my hope, and selfishly ignoring Terri's wishes."
But the Schindlers and their supporters have described Michael Schiavo as anything but benevolent. He is, they say, selfishly hoping to end Terri's life so he can collect what's left of the malpractice money and begin a new life with his fiancée, Jodi Centonze.
The couple have a baby daughter and another child on the way, his brothers said.
Bonnie Rowley, one of Michael Schiavo's friends, said he describes Centonze as a godsend and a patient woman who understands his devotion to Terri.
Centonze is a stay-at-home mom, said Rowley who met Michael Schiavo through her longtime friend. Rowley said the life the couple share is hardly carefree. Michael works long hours, visits Terri often and has spent most of his remaining free time with lawyers and in courtrooms.
"He really doesn't have a life," Rowley said. "He can't go on until this is over."
Malpractice money
"It's the money," Scott Schiavo said. "That's when all this garbage happened."
The Schiavos say the money from a malpractice lawsuit awarded in November 1992 caused the split with the Schindlers.
Terri received $700,000 put in a trust for her care, and Michael Schiavo received $300,000 for loss of companionship. He used some of his money to build a house and refurbish his mother's retirement apartment.
Michael Schiavo claims that Bob Schindler wanted a portion of the money. The Schindlers claim that Michael's efforts to bring Terri back waned after he got his share.
The Schiavos say the Schindlers have battled ever since to wrest guardianship from Michael Schiavo. The courts have repeatedly found him to be a dutiful guardian. The courts also have decided Terri has no chance for recovery.
Now the money from the judgment is nearly gone, with just $50,000 left to pay for Terri's care, according to George Felos, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, who says his legal bills haven't been paid in more than a year.
'He was there for me'
It is the portrayal of Michael Schiavo as a money-grubbing opportunist that frustrates friend Russ Hyden, 56, a Gainesville Realtor, who met Michael Schiavo in Clearwater in 1991.
Hyden's wife was pregnant when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She rejected chemotherapy to have the baby and died at age 39. Hyden said Schiavo helped him through his grief.
"I couldn't have gotten through that without him. He was there for me every minute," Hyden said. "He's a gentle giant -- a generous, gentle giant."
And, Hyden is convinced, Michael Schiavo thinks about Terri every day.
"He is living every day knowing that the wife he loved is no longer here, but the body remains," Hyden said. "That's the worst possible nightmare I could ever imagine living with."
Sean Mussenden of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Rich McKay can be reached at
rmckay@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5470. Maya Bell can be reached at
mbell@orlandosentinel.com or 305-810-5003.
To: Pegita; sweetliberty
Is this the article you're looking for?
Friends: Husband's love means he must let go
By Rich McKay and Maya Bell
Sentinel Staff Writers
October 26, 2003
ST. PETERSBURG -- When doctors disconnected the feeding tube that has sustained Terri Schiavo for 13 years, her husband, Michael, was by her side.
He bent over, fixed her hair and gently kissed her forehead. It was the moment he had fought for -- what he saw as the beginning of the end of his 39-year-old wife's tragic existence.
"You would have to see him in the room with Terri. The way he looks at her. The way he kisses her. The way he fixes her hair," said Wilma Mackay, a friend who joined Schiavo on Oct. 15 for the vigil at Terri's bedside. "This is a man who still loves his wife. He never fell out of love with her, and because of that love he has to let her go."
The 40-year-old "gentle giant" described by Mackay and others is a far cry from the image Terri's parents have portrayed to millions of people via the Internet: a heartless monster willing, perhaps even eager, to let his wife starve to death so he can get her money.
Bob and Mary Schindler's campaign to save their daughter won an important victory last week when the Florida Legislature voted to give Gov. Jeb Bush the power to order Terri's feeding tube reattached.
The move left Michael Schiavo feeling betrayed, his friends and brothers say.
"He feels Terri has been done an injustice by the state of Florida," said Brian Schiavo, 44. "He's hung in there to do what he knows Terri wants."
Now Michael Schiavo, who has shunned the press and declined to be interviewed for this story, plans to make his case Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live.
Schiavo's family hopes viewers see a man who has fought as hard to preserve Terri's dignity as to end her life.
"He never wanted this for Terri. This was a private matter," Mackay said. "He said if by some miracle Terri would come back she would be mortified that she was front and foremost in the newspapers in the condition she was in. She was vain and a very beautiful woman. He never wanted this for her."
Youngest of 5
This is, Michael Schiavo's friends and family say, a rare and tragic love story.
Michael Schiavo is the youngest of five brothers and the biggest -- growing to a man of 6 feet 6 inches and 240 pounds. Now his hair and goatee are more gray than the blond of his youth.
He grew up in Levittown, Pa., in suburban Philadelphia, the son of Bill and Clara Schiavo. His father worked a steady white-collar job as a safety engineer for AT&T. His mother was a stay-at-home mom who could make meatloaf 100 different ways -- all of them good.
Bill Schiavo Jr., Michael Schiavo's 49-year-old brother, said the family was Lutheran and regularly attended Sunday services. The boys attended Bible camps in the summer and lived as their parents taught them: to believe in God, but to keep their deepest feelings and emotional pain to themselves.
"I know Mike has to be struggling with this, asking God all the questions," Bill Schiavo said. But talking to strangers -- to the media -- is something out of character for his brother.
At Woodrow Wilson High School, Michael Schiavo, handsome and confident, had a lot of girlfriends.
After graduating in 1980, he enrolled in Bucks County Community College and was smitten by Theresa "Terri" Schindler, a shy but striking girl who was the ultimate animal lover.
"He fell in love with her right away," Scott Schiavo, Michael's 42-year-old brother who lives in Fairless Hills, Pa. "She fit right in. When the five of us brothers got together, it was all jokes and laughs and picking on each other. Terri was more like a sister than a sister-in-law."
Michael and Terri dropped out of community college in 1982. She became an office clerk, and he went to work full time at a local McDonald's restaurant. Eager for a life away from the frozen North, Michael and Terri moved to Florida in 1986, living in a St. Petersburg Beach condominium owned by Terri's parents.
Friends said Michael Schiavo began managing restaurants. He worked late nights and saw little of his wife, who worked during the day for an insurance company. The Schindlers say Michael Schiavo was a controlling and, at times, abusive, husband. They say the couple talked of divorce, but Michael Schiavo's friends and family say none of that is true.
"They had a perfect marriage," Brian Schiavo said. "He adored her."
Brian Schiavo said he will never forget his brother's panicked phone call from the hospital the morning of Feb. 25, 1990.
'He was crying'
" 'She won't wake up! She won't wake up!' " Brian Schiavo recalled his brother shouting into the phone. "He was crying. I didn't understand what he was talking about, but you could hear his anguish."
Hours earlier, Terri Schiavo suffered a heart attack doctors say was brought on by a potassium deficiency. Her heart stopped beating, and doctors say her brain was starved of oxygen for about five minutes.
Terri has never been fully awake since then, doctors say. All but a few doctors who have examined Terri say it is only her reflexes that appear to respond to light, sound and touch. Those doctors say Terri died 13 years ago and that her body lived on without her. Michael Schiavo's friends and family say it took him seven years to come to grips with that.
He kept vigil at her side and, according to court records, sought aggressive rehabilitative therapy. He took her to California for experimental surgery, admitted her to a brain-injury center in Bradenton and hired an aide to take her to parks, to museums, to the beauty shop -- anything to stimulate her.
He took classes at St. Petersburg Community College in 1991 and began studying nursing -- so he could better care for his wife. Today, Michael Schiavo is a respiratory therapist and an emergency-room nurse at a Pinellas County hospital.
"He sees this stuff every day. He's an ER nurse," Brian Schiavo said. "It takes a special person to do that."
But there was nothing Michael Schiavo could do to draw Terri out of her silent cocoon and, over time, her husband accepted her doctors' prognosis. Her cerebral cortex was gone. She could not think, talk or reason and never would again.
It was his mother's death in 1997 that made him realize Terri needed to be allowed to die. In 1998, he asked Pinellas Circuit Judge George W. Greer to order his wife's twice-a-day artificial feedings halted, and after an emotional trial, Greer agreed, setting off an endless round of appeals by her parents.
"I never wanted Terri to die," Michael Schiavo wrote in a statement released Oct. 15. "I still don't. After more than seven years of desperately searching for a cure for Terri, the death of my own mother helped me realize that I was fooling myself. More important, I was hiding behind my hope, and selfishly ignoring Terri's wishes."
But the Schindlers and their supporters have described Michael Schiavo as anything but benevolent. He is, they say, selfishly hoping to end Terri's life so he can collect what's left of the malpractice money and begin a new life with his fiancée, Jodi Centonze.
The couple have a baby daughter and another child on the way, his brothers said.
Bonnie Rowley, one of Michael Schiavo's friends, said he describes Centonze as a godsend and a patient woman who understands his devotion to Terri.
Centonze is a stay-at-home mom, said Rowley who met Michael Schiavo through her longtime friend. Rowley said the life the couple share is hardly carefree. Michael works long hours, visits Terri often and has spent most of his remaining free time with lawyers and in courtrooms.
"He really doesn't have a life," Rowley said. "He can't go on until this is over."
Malpractice money
"It's the money," Scott Schiavo said. "That's when all this garbage happened."
The Schiavos say the money from a malpractice lawsuit awarded in November 1992 caused the split with the Schindlers.
Terri received $700,000 put in a trust for her care, and Michael Schiavo received $300,000 for loss of companionship. He used some of his money to build a house and refurbish his mother's retirement apartment.
Michael Schiavo claims that Bob Schindler wanted a portion of the money. The Schindlers claim that Michael's efforts to bring Terri back waned after he got his share.
The Schiavos say the Schindlers have battled ever since to wrest guardianship from Michael Schiavo. The courts have repeatedly found him to be a dutiful guardian. The courts also have decided Terri has no chance for recovery.
Now the money from the judgment is nearly gone, with just $50,000 left to pay for Terri's care, according to George Felos, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, who says his legal bills haven't been paid in more than a year.
'He was there for me'
It is the portrayal of Michael Schiavo as a money-grubbing opportunist that frustrates friend Russ Hyden, 56, a Gainesville Realtor, who met Michael Schiavo in Clearwater in 1991.
Hyden's wife was pregnant when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She rejected chemotherapy to have the baby and died at age 39. Hyden said Schiavo helped him through his grief.
"I couldn't have gotten through that without him. He was there for me every minute," Hyden said. "He's a gentle giant -- a generous, gentle giant."
And, Hyden is convinced, Michael Schiavo thinks about Terri every day.
"He is living every day knowing that the wife he loved is no longer here, but the body remains," Hyden said. "That's the worst possible nightmare I could ever imagine living with."
Sean Mussenden of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Rich McKay can be reached at
rmckay@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5470. Maya Bell can be reached at
mbell@orlandosentinel.com or 305-810-5003.
Copyright © 2003, Orlando Sentinel
To: firerosemom
Thank you ... that's the one!
587
posted on
11/08/2003 10:08:30 PM PST
by
Pegita
('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
To: No More Gore Anymore
Thanks for the timeline, next time I'll go look it up myself instead of bothering everybody.
Okay so 1994 was an acromonious year. He had to defend his guardianship which he previaled and kept, he moved Terri to a new Nursing Home. No doubt he was mad at the Schindlers for questioning his guardianship, how was he owed money??
Cant' wait for the next Guardianship Hearing, I think we will find out more about the money. It would be so great if a Freeper could attend. Often times they talk about things in Court but the "Strike it form the record" so unless you were there in person you don't know what is going on.
I think I'm beating a dead horse here, we jsut won't know the answers until more information becomes available.
To: firerosemom
You beat me to it! LOL. No wonder my computer was going so slow!
To: Krodg
What'd you do?? You can't apologize for something I am not aware of. heehehe : )
Of course, if you Freepmail me, I will read it!!
To: nickcarraway
Good question!
To: Ohioan from Florida; Pegita
:) I just got lucky - glad I could help!
To: Ohioan from Florida
The Orlando Sentinel is JUNK !!!
This JUNK had been pro-MS and Felo$ from day 1, anytime
there is something good, they put in the back local pages
way back....,but when MS/Felon win they put it on the front pages, and play them as poor sorry A**, this pc of JUNK
is so far-left, and PRO death, and Anti-father, Anti-Bush,
Anti-Military,, Anti-God, they make N.O.W. look good.....
Demons helping Demons.....vet out
593
posted on
11/08/2003 10:37:28 PM PST
by
Orlando
(* Dec. 3rd is Theresa M. SCHINDLER Birthday * Don't call her Schiavo anymore,please.)
To: All
I think the best posts about the money are
Post #379 which has the spreadsheet
Post #423 link provided by Aliska I followed her link and psoted the text - Has additional $$ information about how much was in the Trust in 1998 and how much it started with.
Post #537 article posted from GodSoLoved that gives additional information about the $$ form the Hospisc employee.
From Post #423 - Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George Greer already must approve each expense paid from the account. The judge also agreed last year to seal the requests for payment from public view, at Felos' request. The approvals, however, are public record.
Last year, the clerk of court's office, which processes those requests, questioned whether Felos should receive money for speaking to the media for hours. The judge did not stop the payments to Felos, who receives $195 an hour and $225 an hour for appellate work.
A Pinellas jury awarded about $1.4-million to Mrs. Schiavo and $630,000 to her husband in 1992 after her gynecologist failed to ask about her medical history while treating her. She also received a $250,000 settlement in a case filed on her behalf against another doctor. Felos said that after attorneys' fees and other expenses, Mrs. Schiavo was left with about $700,000 and her husband with about $300,000.
In April 1993, Mrs. Schiavo's money was valued at $776,254, court records show. By April 1998, it was only down to $713,825.
The money, managed first by Barnett Bank and now SouthTrust Bank, was invested in blue chip stocks, such as Coca-Cola, Walt Disney and Proctor & Gamble; corporate and U.S. Treasury bonds; and a money market account.
Schiller, the financial planner, said a portfolio such as that could have earned $70,000 or more a year in the mid and late 1990s, when the stock market was booming. "It's not unrealistic," Schiller said. "It was the best performance in decades."
Those kinds of returns could have paid for Mrs. Schiavo's expenses. Her medical expenses were paid for by health insurance and Medicaid at first but now are paid by the account. It costs about $3,000 to $5,000 a month to live in a nursing home.
****
Terri's account Balance from April of 1993 - April of 1998 only went down by 62,000. Which makes sense because it was invested and it should have been earning money. Plus Terri was collecting Social Security.
The article states that Judge Greere has to approve of every payment the Trust Makes and I didn't realize that. That makes me feel somewhat better about the money, I thought Michael had possion fo the checkbook, looks like he doesn't.
To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Thanks for putting that all in one place. I still think that it looks funny for Michael to have a prom. note from the trust fund. I think it was a good catch on your part. I'm not comforted by the fact that Greer has had to approve of everything that comes out of that account, since he has pretty much rubber-stamped everything MS has put forward.
Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that You are such a loving God ~ a forgiving God for all those who ask. I pray for the souls of those outside of Christ ~ may the Power of the Holy Spirit descend in such a mighty way that each would accept nothing less than fellowship with You.
Heavenly Father, it is devastating to read of a husband who still seeks to murder his wife ~ it is devastating to read how the keepers of the law are willing to assist ~ it is frightful how so many people seem to think this is acceptable.
Have mercy on us, Lord, for we set ourselves to be as You ... ordaining length of days ... deciding that the unborn should not have any days at all ... our shame is every before us. Forgive us, I pray, in the Name of Jesus, and for His sake. O God, help us to hold back the onslaught that we face ... let not these death plans for Terri succeed ... continue to undertake for her family ... do not let them fall because of fatigue or ill health, but sweep away all that is evil and return us to all that is good ... love of God and of humanity and of country, for all of us are the least of these, our brethren.
Hear us, Father God, for we have no where else to go, and no one else on whom to rely, save You. To You be all Power and Glory and Honor, forever and ever, Amen ...
596
posted on
11/08/2003 10:50:46 PM PST
by
Pegita
('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
To: RusynMama
Actually no, it is the opposite. Go look at Post#379, look at the Heading for the colum, Clearly this is an Expense, money paid from the Trust To Michael, it is under the Expense Heading.
The Debtor Execures Promissory Not TO the Creditor. Terri owes Michael.
To: Pegita
Wonderful prayer - as always.
To: wisconsinconservative
Will Team Bush have full access to all the medical and court records or do they have to accept the previous rulings by Judge Greer as fact?
It depends on whose arguments are more compelling, using citations from past cases or legal statutes. The judge must rule based on the law; right now the Bush Team is questioning what Felos has submitted as "facts," calling it hearsay in the "instant case" (the constitutionality trial)because the Bush Team has never had an opportunity to actally try that to determine "ultimate fact" before a judge or jury. In other words, as nicmarlo said, it can be inferred the Bush Team is deeply suspicious of Greer's rulings and/or the testimony found to be "fact" in previous trials.
Thus the Bush Team is rightfully calling ALL the legal findings submitted by Felos "hearsay" because it comes into this case with Felos saying "it's true" and the Bush Team is saying "we want to hold that evidence to a standard of proof which would be admissible in a criminal proceeding because this is a matter of life and death." (in my own opinion.)
Of course it's easy to be cynical and assume Greer will rule against Bush's motions but he must follow the law and if the legal arguments are carefully written, I think Felos will have to provide any and all records the Bush Team is requesting.
Because Felos seeks to overturn a law, he must offer proof that the law is wrong. So far, his main arguments seem to be that it violates Terri's right to privacy and it violates the separation of powers.
I don't think he can succeed on either tactic because I think the right to life will outweigh the right to privacy in this particular case, where there is dispute about Terri's actual condition, her care, conflict of interest and no written directive.
Also I think as a matter of public policy, it is in the government's interest to intervene when the rights of a citizen, or class of citizens, to due process are at risk of being infringed by inequities in law. In other words, a "judicial execution" based on disputed hearsay evidence is not acceptable in a death penalty criminal trial and should not be acceptable in a civil trial either. The same standards of scrutiny should be afforded to evidence in Terri's case as are afforded to evidence submitted in trial of an accused killer.
Most notably, she had no guardian ad litem to protect her interests, much as a public defender must be appointed to someone on trial. A disinterested guardian ad litem would have strongly contested the hearsay comments submitted by MS, as proof of her wish to die. MS as her guardian was not sufficiently removed to question his own testimony or motives.
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posted on
11/08/2003 10:55:17 PM PST
by
msmagoo
To: Ohioan from Florida
"He bent over, fixed her hair and gently kissed her forehead. It was the moment he had fought for -- what he saw as the beginning of the end of his 39-year-old wife's tragic existence." .
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"He never fell out of love with her, "
Yeah, right. That's why he's been bedding every woman he could get his hands on ever since she was hurt.
"and because of that love he has to let her go"
And it wouldn't have anything to do with with a few hundred thousand dollars, a mistress and a couple of bastard children, would it?
"The move left Michael Schiavo feeling betrayed"
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"Schiavo's family hopes viewers see a man who has fought as hard to preserve Terri's dignity as to end her life."
Oh, yeah. He really did that, talking about why they didn't do gynocological exams, and such. That was real dignified....and protective of her privacy. Give it a rest you stinkin' liars. Actions speak louder than words.
"This is, Michael Schiavo's friends and family say, a rare and tragic love story"
Oh yeah, a real Romeo and Juliet.
" At Woodrow Wilson High School, Michael Schiavo, handsome and confident, had a lot of girlfriends."
I'd like to hear THEIR stories. Wonder if any of them have babies by him.
"They had a perfect marriage," Brian Schiavo said. "He adored her."
That's HIS version. They lived in Pennsylvania. How the heck would they know?
"It was his mother's death in 1997 that made him realize Terri needed to be allowed to die."
"It was his mother's death in 1997 that made him realize Terri needed to be allowed to die."
"I was hiding behind my hope, and selfishly ignoring Terri's wishes."
You hadn't thought of them yet, you mean. I'll just bet boy George was the one who helped you with that "recollection." Terri probably "told" Georgie that she wanted to be killed and that helped you remember, right Michael?
"He really doesn't have a life," Rowley said. "He can't go on until this is over."
He needs her gone so he can take the money, have the body cremated and quit having to burden himself with worrying about facing possible criminal charges, marry the mistress and ride off into the sunset with his illegitimate kids and live happily ever after....or until Jodi p*ss*s him off.
""I couldn't have gotten through that without him."
Wonder if he convinced him to kill his wife too.
"Hyden is convinced, Michael Schiavo thinks about Terri every day."
I'm sure he does....he thinks, "if she wasn't here, I could be doing this, or that or whatever."
"He is living every day knowing that the wife he loved is no longer here, but the body remains"
And it's just getting inconvenient as
I guess that this is the point that we're supposed to realize that it is all about Michael and how much Terri went and screwed up his life, but I just can't seem to work up a tear.
600
posted on
11/08/2003 10:58:30 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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