Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10

Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT (Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003) (Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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[T'wit]

Note this from that newspaper article just above:

>> "For a few years, her family and husband, Michael, worked toward recovery. Then, he changed his mind. It was hopeless, he contended. She would not have wanted to live like this."

Read it again. HE changed his mind. So much for his preposterous, self-interested lie that she said she wanted to die. Michael made it up. His ENTIRE case for trying to kill her rests on this lie.

Michael is not exactly swift, but it didn't take him more than two or three months to figure out that he was the sole heir to more than a million dollars if he could get rid of Terri. From that moment he was overwhelmed with compassion towards her "wish" to die a horrible death by dehydration. One of the nurse's affidavits quoted his sentimental, tender feelings for his wife: "I'm going to be rich!"

[lonevoice]

Thanks! Fixed it...

07/19/82 Jodi sues Mr. Rask
09/07/88 Jodi sues Mr. Fletcher
03/03/89 Jodi sues Mr. Demoney
02/02/90 MS sues Dr. Igel
02/25/90 MS sues Dr. Prawer
05/22/90 MS sues Prudential Insurance
10/30/90 MS sues Dr. Neuhardt
05/20/91 MS ran stop sign
11/23/92 MS speeding
05/31/94 MS driving w/expired license
05/31/94 MS driving w/expired registration
08/29/96 Jodi speeding
02/05/01 Jodi speeding
08/19/02 MS failure to obey traffic device

[iowamomforfreedom]

Your post piqued my curiosity about the facts of the Estelle Browning case (which family members were trying to kill her off), and I did a Google search. I haven't found the details I was looking for yet, but I did find this very interesting commentary by the Florida Catholic Conference written about the Browning ruling handed down on Sept 13, 1990. (Remember, Felos was Ms. Browning's attorney). Much of their concern over this ruling is being evidenced in Terri's case.
LINK: http://www.flacathconf.org/Publications/Comment/Comm1290.htm

The following are some excerpts:

The court depicts a glowing stereotype of the medical decision-making process in these cases. It recognizes the possibility of improper activity under the guidelines but says "we are loath to impose an cumbersome legal proceeding at such a delicate time in those many cases where the patient neither needs nor desires additional protection". The decision "is being made painfully by loving family members, concerned guardians or surrogates, in conjunction with the advice of ethical and caring physicians or other health care providers". No mention is made of the uncertainty of diagnosis; fiscal pressures on or antisocial attitudes of caregivers or families; bureaucratic and legal restrictions on what used to be good medical practice; or the growing bias for death in our society. In fact, the court says: "We are satisfied that the states interests [in prolonging life] do not out weigh the right of an individual to forego life sustaining measures".

==>SNIP

The court does not discuss the rules applicable to cases where the patient has never been competent, or while competent has never made any expressions of intention. The expansiveness of this decision, however, must give advocates of the disabled cause to be concerned about both extrajudicial decision-making and future rulings of both lower courts and this court.

==>SNIP

Where do we go from here? The Florida Supreme Court has in recent years construed the right of privacy to extend to the terminally ill "on the threshold of death", to minors and now to the mentally and physically incapacitated. This case seems to withdraw that protection the state formerly provided under the doctrine of parens patriae. It is said that this court is exercising a "new federalism" in order to protect the people of Florida from any moderating influences that might develop on the U.S. Supreme Court. The decision seems to exhibit a philosophy of excessive individualism that ignores any social action or societal role in the protection of unborn children, teenagers, the elderly, senile or the infirm. without a doubt, a patient's autonomy has to be protected, but this opinion ignores threats that incompetents or debilitated patients face in society today. There is almost an assumption that certain patients are better off dead than alive, and that if able to speak, would choose death.

==>SNIP

The Florida Supreme Court got this ball rolling with the Browning Case. Felos rejoiced in their decision. Michael Schiavo is more than happy to help keep that ball rolling. God help us.

[atruelady]

God IS helping us. Everyone has to believe that!

[Orlando]

Hey, DL & $$$..This got your attention.

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Listen, everybody..we have enough ammo ((Informations))
to go on the attack, we need to get out friends in the media,radio, newspapers. Christian & Jewish, and all other religions that is against evil and Darkest to spread the word, via internet to other forum sites, and churches, we
need to email Congress (And remind them, election is less
than 11 months away...) play hard-ball....We need to Email
the White House, and DEMAND a full INVESTIGATION into M$, and this NEW WITC* WIFE, and there High Warlock Leader Felo$ & Felon$, Tell people at work,school,church,anywhere
and ask for there help....spread the news....

He haves 4 childrens, with 2-3 women , He kills little cats, He melted Terri wedding rings, He committed purjury,
....to start with.......

It's time we attack !!! Attack !!...
I will do this today...in my area....vet out

[nicmarlo]

Model Husband :

1. Prevents wife from receiving appropriate rehab/medical care.
2. Isolates wife from her family and friends.
3. Spends her money on lawsuits rather than for rehab/medical care.
4. Commits adultery.
5. Fathers illegitimate children.
6. Shacks up with new family....so he's only a pseudo-bigamist.
7. He put both of her cats to sleep.
8. He melted down her wedding rings in order to make himself a nice ring.

"Model Citizens" :

07/19/82 Jodi sues Mr. Rask (automobile accident) 
09/07/88 Jodi sues Mr. Fletcher (automobile accident) 
03/03/89 Jodi sues Mr. Demoney (automobile accident) 
02/25/90 MS sues Dr. Prawer 
05/22/90 MS sues Prudential Insurance 
10/30/90 MS sues Dr. Neuhardt 
05/20/91 MS ran stop sign 
11/23/92 MS speeding 
05/31/94 MS driving w/expired license 
05/31/94 MS driving w/expired registration 
08/29/96 Jodi speeding 
09/21/00 MS sues Dr. Igel 
02/05/01 Jodi speeding 
08/19/02 MS failure to obey traffic device 

[Lone Voice in the hinterlands]

Budge I sent you a private e-mail jsut now

[sweetliberty]

Good job nic! Lord, spare me from model citizens! LOL!

[nicmarlo]

LOL!!!

[Lone Voice in the hinterlands]

Please check your e-mail I will be sending you a private e-mail as soon as this is posted.

[lonevoice]

Maybe you haven't read the findings of fact in the Dept of Health and Florida Board of Medicine's investigations of Dr. Hammesfahr?

Death ghoul Felos couldn't have been too happy that an appeals court overruled his stooge, blind Judge Greer, and ordered Terri's feeding tube to be restored the first time Michael tried to starve her to death. Blind Judge Greer was forced to consider new evidence that Terri might not be in a PVS and could possibly benefit from therapy.

Just a mere few weeks before Blind Judge Greer would be hearing the new evidence, George Felos announced to the media that Hammesfahr "engaged in false, deceptive or misleading advertising" involving "a treatment that is contrary to current neurological knowledge" and had been charged by the Department of Health in an administrative complaint. "I can't see how anyone could believe that Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment could help Terri Schiavo when the state of Florida in essence considers it to be bogus," said attorney George Felos. But, what extremely relevant information did Death Ghoul Felos leave out of his media smear of Dr. Hammesfahr? How about the little fact that the complaint against Dr. Hammesfahr was pending investigation? There had been no decision and Felos saying that "the state of Florida in essence considers Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment claims bogus" was a bold faced lie? http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/22/TampaBay/Schiavo_case_doctor_t.shtml

So, did the state of Florida's board of medicine investigation determine that Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment claims were "bogus", as Felos claimed? Here's what Death Ghoul Felos and Blind Judge Greer would rather you didn't know: Not only is this a lie, but the administrative judge, Susan Kirkland, in her 90 page findings of fact concluded that: "Dr. Hammesfahr is the first physician to treat patients successfully to restore deficits caused by stroke". Further, in her findings of fact, Judge Kirkland that Dr. Hammesfahr's treatment protocol and claims had been extensively peer reviewed by:

A. Diane Hartley, court recognized expert in Physical Therapy, testified that of the 242 that she and Dr. Alex Gimon were asked to analyze and evaluate, 221 had improved with their only treatment being that of Dr. Hammesfahr that was challenged in this complaint as "bogus".

B. Dr. Alex Gimon, court recognized expert in Neuropsychology and Brain Injury, testified that of the total study group of 332 of Dr. Hammesfahr's patients that Dr. Gimon evaluated, "most had marked imprvoement within the first 15 days of treatment" that the complaint had challenged as "bogus".

C. Judge Kirkland evaluated a published peer reviewed article about Dr. Hammesfahr's first 67 patients treated for stroke, most who had no improvements for over a year using conventional therapy. Yet, after undergoing treatment with Dr. Hammesfahr, "over 80% showed major improvement with the ability to do new activities around the house and in life that did not exist before starting treatment with Dr. Hammesfahr".

Contrary to the "bogus" claims made by the Felos trolls, the Florida state board of medicine and the Dept. of Health found absolutely no evidence that Dr. Hammesfahr's claims of treatment successes were anything other than astonishingly effective! Apparently Blind Judge Greer considers himself more of an expert in medicine than the Dept of Health and the Florida board of medicine.

[Theodore R.]

Well, this explains why the FL Supreme Court never heard the appeal from the Schindlers. It had already made up its collective mind in favor of "death with dignity" -- Schiavo-style. Now, though if the Schindler are appealing a unfavorable ruling from Baird and the appeals court to the Supreme Court, we know that the Supreme Court will reject the case again, thereby ruling against Terri and the governor. This FL Supreme Court is primarily against any Bush first and foremost. The fact that the Bushes have tried to help Terri is all they need to know. This court will say that Terri must die NOW. Then, can another law be written to address what the court striked down. Doubtful.

Were Terri to win before Baird and the appeals court, probably impossible in FL now, the Supreme Court would take the case and strike down Terri's Law. Will three more FL Supreme Court judges be voted on in 2004 -- yes and no plebiscites?

[lonevoice]

Oh my. Too funny! Thanks for the much needed laugh today.

[pickyourpoison]

anyone ever catch Montel Williams show?

[Theodore R.]

I think FL has a higher birth rate than most state. However, it is No. 3 in rate of abortion, behind only CA and NY.

[sweetliberty]

"anyone ever catch Montel Williams show?"

When is/was it on? I thought it was a late afternoon show.

[Theodore R.]

Baird is hearing proceedings in Terri's case today in Pinellas Co. The Bush attorneys say that the case should be in Tallahassee to accommodate the governor's schedule. It could be that Baird is looking for potentially national publicity for himself. Maybe he wants to be the new "Judge Ito." I believe that Baird, despite his "Republican" label will rule against Terri and Bush. Then the media will saw that "even a Republican judge" found the Republican governor in error!

[Chocolate Rose]

House speaker Byrd defends law keeping brain-damaged woman alive

http://www.twincities.com/mld/tallahassee/news/breaking_news/7228703.htm

[sweetliberty]

Never mind. Montel is starting right now. Seems to be on miraculous recoveries rather than specifically about Terri. Still should be worth watching.

[lonevoice]

Thanks for posting this link, CR. From the article:

"Last week, Baird denied a motion by Bush's attorney, Kenneth L. Connor, to throw out Felos' suit. Connor contended that it was invalid because Bush had not been personally served and because it was not filed in Tallahassee where the governor is based.

Connor appealed Baird's decision Wednesday, triggering an automatic stay in the case until the issue is settled. A brief from the governor defending the constitutionality of the law was due Monday, but Connor filed the appeal instead."