Conservativism and Morality (Cathryn Crawford)

The Washington Dispatch ^ | November 7, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

[rdb3]

We do eat our own when they fail to hold the line. We should.

I disagree. Allowing wedges to be driven between us is not wise. The Left knows this and uses it. And our non-thinking conservatives fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

[Cathryn Crawford]

I disagree. Allowing wedges to be driven between us is not wise. The Left knows this and uses it. And our non-thinking conservatives fall for it hook, line, and sinker.

I couldn't agree more.

[tpaine]

All the strong positions on gun rights, abortion, free speech – all can be traced back to moral reasoning.
The Constitution itself was originally founded on moral beliefs about the best way a government would serve its citizens.
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Yes indeed, "the Constitution itself was originally founded on moral beliefs about the best way a government would serve its citizens", -- with severe restrictions placed on what ~extent~ it could so serve.

The problems come when some conservatives [& all liberals] demand that our governments write laws that serve special interests, and infringe upon the rights of others.

[MissAmericanPie]

I believe a little leaven effects the entire loaf. It is tolerance and making excuses for those that betray us that has landed us in the position we are in now. That position being liberals in a big tent pushing conservatives out of the tent. I'm for trying a little intolerance.

[LanPB01]

I disagree with the notion that we should support "our own", even when they blow it. We should support them to the extent that we hope they recover and recuperate from whatever they have done, but we shouldn't justify and start making Clinton level excuses for conservatives just because they're our own. It's the message, not the messenger.

[rdb3]

I'm for trying a little intolerance.

I understand. But let me ask you a question. Would your intolerance be a good thing if it would push a potentially good conservative convert from even considering making a move?

[MissAmericanPie]

I have not run into a potentially good conservative that doesn't ask conservatives to tolerate alot of the liberal baggage he brings with him, so that question is hard to answer.

[Burlem]

I caught the error too late, but figured you would get it....:)

I found this today, shows nothing much changes.

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."

--Mark Twain (1866)

[LanPB01]

Just so you know, there's a one page article in the new issue of Esquire on "The Cure: How Not to Be a Metrosexual". Apparently, the key is to get rid of all "kale-scented man lotion" and purchase Irish Sprin, Speed Stick, and Barbasol products.

[Cathryn Crawford]

I know that you're always on the lookout for new skincare products. I found this Nivea stuff the other day - it's very nice. You should try it.

[rdb3]

It's the message, not the messenger.

Actually, it's both. If Samuel Francis is your messenger with the correct message, you're still sunk like the Titanic.

[ClearCase_guy]

Well, I'm not going to argue with you (really! I swear!)

I will say that when I was in college I knew a Deadhead, who was always well-stoned. He (in turn) knew some Hells Angels. And he claimed that THEY were the most moral people he knew. They had a code that they lived by, and they were very rigorous about sticking to that code. Hence, they were moral people.

Just 'cause someone has a code, doesn't mean they are moral. It just means they have a code. For me (your mileage may vary) all moral codes which come from Man are arbitrary and equal. Marry your sister? Egyptians thought it was cool. Kill the Jews? The Nazis thought it was right. Tell the truth? Sounds great!

I say that morality comes from God. Other people may have their own code and those codes could be good or they could be bad. But there is no way to "judge" them if they all come from Men who are equally fallible. Who is to say the Nazi's were wrong?
My answer: God.
Other people's answer: I read it in a book.

If someone is a good person, yet feels strongly that their own moral code allows abortion, then I say they are deluding themselves and do not have a real moral code, just a list of things that they approve of.

[LanPB01]

I bought a canister of the Nivea for Men Skincare product (with CoQ10!) a few weeks ago. It works great here in the fall, when the cool, dry air plays havoc with my sensitive skin.

[Cathryn Crawford]

I'll bet. It must be tough having that sensitive skin and all. Poor thing.

[LanPB01]

I feel really bad about buying it, they being owned by the French and all. But I NEED it! Plus, I have a job interview coming up on December 1st, and I need to look my best.

[Cathryn Crawford]

Well, that's true.

Damn, you sound gay. If you hadn't made all those comments about watching me do yoga, I'd believe it.

[LanPB01]

Don't forget the enjoyment I get from watching lovely undergraduates swim; I don't restrict myself to just yoga. I've used the virtual tour to examine the gym at the school where I'm interviewing, and it looks like it will do nicely.

[Cathryn Crawford]

I certianly am thrilled for you, I must admit.

[LanPB01]

Well, if I get the job, feel free to come and visit me. In fact, maybe you can sign up for my class!

[CyberCowboy777]

Thanks for the ping!

A question. Can Conservatives swell their ranks with new non-traditional (not religious) numbers without relinquishing Moral Absolutes?