Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard
Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.
THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH
Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote
Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York
One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania
Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts
Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States
Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South
Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets
The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.
The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.
RELATED HEADLINES
ELECTION DAY IN THE CITY: All Quiet and Orderly At the Polls: Progress of the Voting in the Several Wards: The City After Nightfall: How the News Was Received: Unbounded Enthusiasm of the Republicans and Bell-Everett Headquarters: The Times Office Beseiged: Midnight Display of Wide-Awakes: Bonfires and Illuminations
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according to most scholars & leaders, both civilian & military, Hiroshima & Nagasaki were MILITARY TARGETS. military targets are LEGITIMATE targets of war.
that is why Tokyo was NOT bombed with the atomic munitions.
free dixie,sw
rave on fool, you're on a roll.
every post you make causes INTELLIGENT FReepers to LOL at you AND causes ever more thinking persons to cleave to the TRUE CAUSE of dixie LIBERTY.
free the southland,sw
in the csae of the immoral slaughter of my family, there were NO persons capable of bearing arms, who were raped, tortured, robbed or murdered. NONE!
that makes at least 92 cases of WAR CRIMES for ole mac_truck to dismiss as "perfectly OK"!
all the men and several of the women were off fighting for the TRUE CAUSE. (NOTE: our women have ALWAYS been accepted as warriors!)
free dixie,sw
The language in Antonelli's subsequent letter does not appear passive at all or anything short of a diplomatic exchange in which the status of country is treated as a given. It is repeated and punctual as well as consistent with his repeated reception of at least three different CSA envoys plus the Bishop P.N. Lynch of Charleston, who was formally designated to serve as a diplomatic envoy and intermediary with the Vatican by Davis himself.
Vatican Secretary of State Giacomo Antonelli disputed this, insisting that the Pope in no way intended to make a political statement in his address to Mr. Davis."
There does not appear to be any letter fron Antonelli in the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion series either stating or suggesting this. If you do have one then by all means quote it and post it here. There are letters from Antonelli referring to the CSA as a country etc., and letters indicating his extension of diplomatic protection to a CSA Envoy, Dudley Mann, after yankee diplomats tried to have him arrested as a "rebel" in Rome.
Formal diplomatic recognition is a process that often includes the exchange of diplomatic letters of recognition, the exchange of "ambassadors extraordinary and plenipotnetiary," the enactmentment of legislation, the formalization of a treaty, etc. The CSA sent Bishop Lynch to the Vatican and Europe as an "ambassador plenipotentiary" (an ambassador empowered to make treaties).
The full appointment reads
"Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America, to all to whom these presents shall come, greeting:
Know ye that, for the purpose of establishing friendly relations between the Confederate States of America and the States of the Church, and reposing special trust and confidence in the integrity prudence, and abilities of the Right Reverend P. N. Lynch, I have appointed him special commissioner of the Confederate States of America to the States of the Church and have invested him with full and all manner of power and authority, for and in the name of the Confederated States, to meet and to confer with any person or persons duly authorized by the sovereign pontiff of the States of the Church, being furnished with like power and authority, and with him or them to agree, treat, consult, and negotiate concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both Governments, and to conclude and sign a treaty or treaties, convention or conventions, touching the premises, transmitting the same to the President of the Confederate States for his final ratification, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate of the Confederate States. In testimony whereof I have caused the seal of the Confederate States to be hereunto affixed. Given under my hand at the city of Richmond the fourth day of April. in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty- four.
JEFFERSON DAVIS."
This differs significantly from Davis' previous diplomatic appointment to the Vatican:
"Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America, to A. Dudley Mann, greeting:
Reposing special trust and confidence in your prudence, integrity, and ability, I do appoint you, the said A. Dudley Mann, special envoy of the Confederate States of America to the Holy See and to deliver to its most venerable chief, Pope Pius IX, sovereign pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, a communication which I have addressed to his holiness under date of the 23d of this month. Given under my hand and the seal of the Confederate States of America, at the city of Richmond, this 24th day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three.
By the President:
JEFFERSON DAVIS." The difference between the 1863 appointment and the 1864 appointment indicate significant and widespread advances in the diplomatic relations between the CSA and the Vatican over the course of that year. It also appears to indicate the perception that recognition of some formal type had occurred. Keeping in mind that Benjamin's letter was his first response to Mann before any further diplomacy had occurred, it is not at all unreasonable to conclude that the exchanges had advanced beyond simple courtesies of title, as you would have us believe.
the last Indian attack on a white village occurred in Greenhill, TX in 1893. the reason i remember is that it happened 6 miles from our family farm AND it was the year my grandfather was baptized into the local baptist church in Greenhill.
the Indians attacked Greenhill community because of a raid by the local militia against an Indian orphanage that once stood in Talco,TX. 84 children under 10 and the headmistress were killed at Talco.
free dixie,sw
You think someone wanted the government to think Native Americans were guilty?
tell us, oh great sage,do you think raping, torturing, robbing & MURDERING INNOCENT civilans & POWs was A-OK, when "the filth that flowed down from the north" did it???
do you think Sand Creek, Wounded Knee and a hundred other war crimes were OK???
should we "blanketa$$e$" just forget about it???
free dixie,sw
"According to well-recognized principles, both of public and private law, these agents of foreign governments having been recognized as such by the agent of the several Confederate States prior to the revocation of the powers delegated to that agent, remained so recognized after the revocation, It was and is undoubtedly within the power of this Government, as it is within the power of all governments, to decline permitting the above-mentioned agents to remain within our limits, but for obvious reasons the exercise of such a power has been deemed unwise and impolitic. The one agent who is excepted from these remarks is Ernst Raven esq., who was appointed consul for the State of Texas by his highness the Duke of SaxeCoburg and Gotha, and wire applied to this Government for an exequatur on the 30th of July, 1861."It is proper to add that a short time ago it came accidentally to the knowledge of the Department that a certain Baron de Saint Andre had assumed the functions of consul or consular agent for the French Government at the port of Charleston since the establishment of the Confederate Government and without applying for an exequatur to this Department. But just at a time this information was received intelligence was also received that Baron Saint Andre had left Charleston with his family for the United States with the probable intention of returning in the autumn. In the event of such return, proper action will be promptly taken by the Department to repress the offensive assumption of consular functions by a foreign agent without the sanction of this Government.
Your assertion that Tokyo wasn't targeted for atomic attack because it wasn't a legitimate military target is laughable and demonstrates the lightness of your grasp on American history.
Given your posting history, I'd say your grasp on reality isn't very firm either.
may gently suggest that your open bigotism/hatred against the southland clouds your limited grasp on reality???
may i also suggest that you go read some history of the war against imperial japan???
you will find that ONCE AGAIN you are showing off your arrogant, ignorance of history.
are you off your meds again???
free dixie,sw
That sounds like pretty good advice. Why don't you take it?
BOTH were NOT MILITARY TARGETS! and thus PROHIBITED!
may i suggest that you get a copy of THE LAW OF WAR, published by the US Army JAG School in Charlottesville,VA and see what it says, rather than keep posting NONSENSE???
free dixie,sw
if we 2 were the only ones here, i wouldn't bother.
free dixie,sw
BOTH were NOT MILITARY TARGETS! and thus PROHIBITED!
Lets focus on the repeated insinuation you've made against the United States military on this thread.
Are the men who planned and executed those bombing raids war criminals and if not, why not ?
It should be noted that the confederate senate did not ratify a single treaty with a single foreign power.
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