Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard
Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.
THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH
Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote
Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York
One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania
Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts
Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States
Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South
Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets
The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.
The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.
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(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
September 26, 1862 So the Senate proceeded, as a Committe of the Whole, to the consideration of the bill (S.19) to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States. On the motion by Mr. Clark, that the motion to taking up the said bill, on the motion by Mr. Phelan that the Senate adjourn, it was decided in the negative. On the question, to agree with the motion of Mr. Clark, On the motion by Mr. Phelan, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow at 12 o'clock.
September 27, 1862 The Senate resumed, as a Committe of the Whole, to the consideration of the bill (S.19) to organize the Supreme Court of the Confederate States. On the motion of Mr. Sparrow, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed for the present.
January 26, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Henry, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow
January 27, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Sparrow, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
February 3, 1863On the motion by Mr. Oldham, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
February 5, 1863On the motion by Mr. Barnwell, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
Februaru 6, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Johnson of Arkansas, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
February 11, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Sparrow, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
February 13, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Sparrow, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
February 26, 1863 On the motion by Mr. Clark, Ordered, that further consideration of the bill be postponed until tomorrow.
And on, and on , and on. Do you detect a pattern here? An organized conspiracy on the part of the senate to defy the constitution, without any protest at all from the Davis regime? And by allies of his in the senate itself. So the idea that Davis shed any tears or felt any frustration over the lack of a court is ridiculous.
Where is tu quoque boss when you need him? But I digress.
Ask Lambden Milligan that question. Actions of the Lincoln administration were taken up by the court as a whole throughout the war. Sometimes the court ruled in favor of the administration, sometimes it did not. But parties did have the opportunity to pursue their matter through the courts, something denied those in the south. Lambden Milligan died a natural death. A Bubba Milligan in Mississippi would have hanged.
Evidence please? Oh wait. You don't have any.
Their repeated meetings, dispatches, and diplomatic correspondences with the Vatican indicate otherwise. Live with it.
Lack of any protest on the part of Davis, any member of his regime, or any of his allies in the senate. In fact, it was his allies delaying it.
One sided correspondence, no exchange of envoy, no official recognition. Deal with it.
Wrong. The State Supreme Courts were open throughout the war and heard many cases arising before the confederacy. They filled the gap of a judiciary while Congress dragged its feet against Davis' wishes.
At the state level. And Bubba Milligan would still have swung.
Illustrious and Hon. JEFFERSON DAVIS
President of the Confederate States of America, Richmond.
Illustrious and honorable sir, greeting:
We have lately received with all kindness, as was meet, the gentlemen sent by your Excellency to present to us your letter dated on the 23d of last September. We have received certainly no small pleasure in learning both from these gentlemen and from your letter the feelings of gratification and of very warm appreciation with which you, illustrious and honorable sir, were moved when you first had knowledge written in October of the preceding year to the venerable brethren, John, archbishop of New York, and John, archbishop of New Orleans, in which we again and again urged and exhorted those venerable brethren that because of their exemplary piety and episcopal zeal they should employ their most earnest efforts, in our name also, in order that the fatal civil war which had arisen in the States should end, and that the people of America might again enjoy mutual peace and concord, and love each other with mutual charity. And it has been very gratifying to us to recognize illustrious and honorable sir, that you and your people are animated by the same desire for peace and tranquillity, which we had so earnestly inculcated in our aforesaid letters to the venerable brethren above named. Oh, that the other people also of the States and their rulers, considering seriously how cruel and how deplorable is this internecine war, would receive and embrace the counsels of peace and tranquillity. We indeed shall not cease with most fervent prayer to beseech God, the best and highest, and to implore Him to pour out the spirit of Christian love and peace upon all the people of America, and to rescue them from the great calamities with which they are afflicted. And we also pray the same most merciful Lord that he will illumine your Excellency with the light of His divine grace and unite you with ourselves in perfect charity. Given at Rome at St. Peters on the 3d December, 1863, in the eighteenth year of our pontificate.
PIUS P. P. IX.
...Looks like more than one side participated!
no exchange of envoy
Reposing special trust and confidence in your prudence, integrity, and ability, I do appoint you, the said A. Dudley Mann, special envoy of the Confederate States of America to the Holy See and to deliver to its most venerable chief, Pope Pius IX, sovereign pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, a communication which I have addressed to his holiness under date of the 23d of this month. Given under my hand and the seal of the Confederate States of America, at the city of Richmond, this 24th day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three. By the President:
JEFFERSON DAVIS
...looks like an envoy was clearly appointed...
"On the 19th I had a second interview with Cardinal Antonelli. I intended it to be of short duration, but he became so much interested in the communications which I made to him that he prolonged it for nearly an hour. He took the occasion to inform me, at the commencement, that the acting representative of the United States had obtained an interview of him the day before to remonstrate against the facilities afforded by the government of the holy see to "Rebels" for entering and abiding in Rome; and that he, the cardinal, promptly replied that he intended to take such "Rebels" under his special protection, because it would be making exactions upon elevated humanity which it was incapable of conscientiously complying with, to expect them to take an oath of allegiance to a country which they bitterly detested." - Mann to JP Benjamin, Nov 21, 1863
...and it also looks like that envoy was openly and actively recieved by the Vatican.
no official recognition.
Messrs. A. DUDLEY MANN, J. M. MASON, JOHN SLIDELL Commissioners of the Confederate States of America,
HONORABLE GENTLEMEN: Your colleague, Mr. Soutter, has handed me your letter of 11th November, with which, in conformity with the instructions of your Government, you have sent me a copy of the manifesto issued by the Congress of the Confederate States and approved by the most honorable President, in order that the attention of the government of the Holy See, to whom, as well as to the other Governments, you have addressed yourselves, might be called to it. The sentiments expressed in the manifesto tending, as they do, to the cessation of the most bloody war which still rages in your countries and the putting an end to the disasters which accompany it by proceeding to negotiations for peace, being entirely in accordance with the disposition and character of the august head of the Catholic Church, I did not hesitate a moment in bringing it to the notice of the Holy Father. - Message of Cardinal Antonelli, Dec. 2, 1864
..."your Government," "Congress of the Confederate State," "your countries" - looks like a clear diplomatic exchange of recognition. Deal with it.
Post your proof of your assertion.
As I said, evidence please? That means post specifics. As things stand right now, it appears you simply do not have any.
In fact, it was his allies delaying it.
The persons most responsible for killing the bill were Sens. Wigfall and Yancey - the two most vocal critics of Davis in all of congress!
He never will because he simply doesn't have any. He will never admit it though because he simply cannot bring himself to recognize factual evidence, no matter how convincing. He is psychologically incapable of viewing Jefferson Davis as anything other than an evil and deceptive schemer. This disability has led him to conclude that anything and everything Jefferson Davis ever did MUST have been a nefarious and ill-intended component of a horrendously complex and incomprehensibly far fetched conspiracy of evil between the president and a secret cabal of cohorts in the confederate congress. I would not be at all surprised if Non-Seq were to suggest that the Davis opposition in Congress, i.e. Wigfall and Yancey, was a contrived facade - a part of a grand conspiracy - to create the illusion that Davis had opponents while in fact they were all secretly working behind the scenes to give him more power. After all, don't you know that Davis would undoubtedly appoint a dozen Ruth Bader Ginsbergs to his own court for the sole purpose of undermining everything he did with far fetched leftism? Don't you know that it's every president's desire to appoint as few judges as possible simply because he knows that everyone he appoints will be his ideological opposite? /sarcasm.
Without the Supreme Court Lambden Milligan would have hanged. There was no similar safety net in the south. Bubba Milligan would have been pushing up daisies.
I can't post specific protests because there weren't any. No evidence at all that Davis objected to the lack of congressional action.
That is false. I've already documented the location of at least 8 separate letters or speeches by Davis on the subject of creating a court. Thus, your claim that it lacked any attention from him is a false one. You know those facts but you simply cannot bring yourself to admit them because you are psychologically incapable of viewing something Davis did as anything other than a massive, nefarious, and ill-intended conspiracy of the most far fetched proportions.
why can't someone as smart as you are figure that out????
there was NO NECESSITY to appoint a coiurt until the war was WON.
free dixie,sw
why can't someone as smart as you are figure that out????
there was NO NECESSITY to appoint a court until the war was WON.
free dixie,sw
Curious claim. I posted four documents. Two of them were from the confederacy and two were from the Vatican. That makes two sides, not one.
The confederacy was like the obnoxious little kid from down the street who hangs around demanding attention and has to be placated in order to make it shut up.
Even more curious. It appears that, far from simply throwing the CSA a bone, they were openly recieved and accomodated at the highest of levels. Not only was the CSA envoy given diplomatic protection against the yankees - he was also granted a personal meeting with the Pope - the head of state of the vatican and leader of the catholic church. Heads of state, and especially important ones like the Pope, do not hold private meetings with just everybody who shows up on their doorstep, non-seq. If you walked up to the Pope's door, or the President's door, or likely even the door of the head of state in some third world banana republic with a population less than 100,000 tommorrow and demanded he meet with you he would not do so. Heads of state hold meetings on matters of importance to them with persons of specific relevance to those same matters.
The Vatican sent no envoy
I'm still researching the matter but the indications I have seen so far indicate that a Catholic bishop, P.N. Lynch, served as a formal intermediary between Davis and the Vatican. Davis formally granted recognition to Lynch in diplomacy between the two, thus making him a party of both the Vatican and the CSA simultaneously.
In fact, after the war the US Government tried to get Bishop Lynch reassigned to a bishop's post in Europe due to his participation in diplomacy between the two governments during the war. The Vatican refused and successfully fought for his return to the Charleston diocese.
in other words, it's just more of your patented south-HATING, arrogant, off-point nonsense.
free dixie,sw
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