Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard
Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.
THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH
Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote
Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York
One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania
Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts
Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States
Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South
Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets
The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.
The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.
RELATED HEADLINES
ELECTION DAY IN THE CITY: All Quiet and Orderly At the Polls: Progress of the Voting in the Several Wards: The City After Nightfall: How the News Was Received: Unbounded Enthusiasm of the Republicans and Bell-Everett Headquarters: The Times Office Beseiged: Midnight Display of Wide-Awakes: Bonfires and Illuminations
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
OK, let's start here.
Lincoln illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus...
Lincoln's actions were not illegal because you say they were. The Supreme Court never ruled on the legality or illegality.
... launched a military invasion without consent of Congress...
Nonsense. Invasions are launched against other countries not rebellious sections of your own. Lincoln had all the authority he needed under the militia act.
...blockaded Southern ports without declaring war...
Again, you declare war against other countries, not parts of your own.
...created three new states (Kansas, Nevada, and West Virginia) without the formal consent of the citizens of those states...
Kansas was admitted before Lincoln was inaugurated. As for West Virginia and Nevada exactly what formal consent are you looking for?
...deported a member of Congress from Ohio after he criticized Lincoln’s unconstitutional behavior...
Former member of Congress, and after his conviction by a military court.
...confiscated private property; confiscated firearms in violation of the Second Amendment; and eviscerated the Ninth and Tenth Amendments...
Some specifics please?
...ministers were imprisoned for failing to say a prayer for Abraham Lincoln...
Oh please.
Lincoln further arrested legislatures of Maryland who opposed the war and apponted their replacements...
Members who supported the ongoing southern rebellion. What was he supposed to do with them?
When the Chief Justus of the Supreme Court declared this unconstitutional Lincoln ordered him arrested too.
Utterly false.
Like you had a choice? He ran unopposed. Didn't want to take any chances, I guess.
1. the Court ruled Scott didn't have "standing" to sue.
2. I agree that he didn't have standing to sue but that he also deserved manumission and should have received it earlier than he did.
Apparently, you don't remember losing this argument before.
Flexibility is the genius of the Constitution.
The document makes clear that it is flexible only through the amendment process. Why not detail some of the amendments Abe passed in order to bend the constitution?
This I know, but why didn't Scott have the standing to sue? Could it be that Chief Justice Taney, who was a staunch supporter of slavery, thought that black people "had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it?"
Now, what is your thought on this decision and Taney's words?
.......if you knew it why did you ask?
Sorry, but treason requires a charge, a case, and a conviction. Lincoln simply threw Merryman in jail without the benefit of any of those things.
You're anticipating another civil war?
What do you think of what Taney stated?
Not exactly. I'm afraid that the verdict is still out on that matter of history. As it stands today there are at least two known corroborating accounts that claim a plot was hatched to arrest Taney but was soon aborted. The first is Ward Hill Lamon, a close Lincoln friend and the federal marshall who it is said to have been responsible for making the arrest. The second is George William Brown, the mayor of Baltimore who learned of the plot and went to Taney's courtroom to warn him of it.
Lincoln sure didn't think so.
"The words ``coercion'' and ``invasion'' are in great use about these days. Suppose we were simply to try if we can, and ascertain what, is the meaning of these words. Let us get, if we can, the exact definitions of these words - not from dictionaries, but from the men who constantly repeat them - what things they mean to express by the words. What, then, is ``coercion''? What is ``invasion''? Would the marching of an army into South California, for instance, without the consent of her people, and in hostility against them, be coercion or invasion? I very frankly say, I think it would be invasion, and it would be coercion too, if the people of that country were forced to submit." - Abraham Lincoln, February 11, 1861
Oh, and by all means feel free to quote the rest of that speech. In no place does he ever negate his definition of invasion as some have erroniously alleged.
"I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." - Abraham Lincoln speaking a the Inauguration of the 16th President of the United States, March 4, 1861
"Mr. Corwin's amendment to the Constitution prohibiting Congress from interfering with Slavery in the States finally prevailed by the bare Constitutional majority. It is known that Mr. Lincoln favored its passage" - New York Tribune, March 5, 1861
"Mr. Lincoln has advised that the Republicans of his State should support Mr. Corwin's constitutional amendment...prohibiting Congress from interfering with the domestic institutions of the South." - New York Tribune, March 2, 1861
The amendment to which Lincoln was referring and gave his support:
Article Thirteen. "No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."
Sounds like a real slavery opponent to me!
According to the New York Tribune he sure did!
"Mr. Corwin's amendment to the Constitution prohibiting Congress from interfering with Slavery in the States finally prevailed by the bare Constitutional majority. It is known that Mr. Lincoln favored its passage" - New York Tribune, March 5, 1861
"Mr. Lincoln has advised that the Republicans of his State should support Mr. Corwin's constitutional amendment...prohibiting Congress from interfering with the domestic institutions of the South." - New York Tribune, March 2, 1861
By the end of the war, Lincoln had been an opponent of slavery his entire life.
When he said those things you quoted, of course, we didn't have the benefit of his actions from '62 on, which altered both the intent and meaning of everything he said throughout his entire life. /sarcasm
Oh, I will.
"But if the Government, for instance, but simply insists upon holding its own forts, or retaking those forts which belong to it, or the enforcement of the laws of the United States in the collection of duties upon foreign importations, or even the withdrawl of the mails from those portions of the country where the mails themselves are habitually violated; would any or all of these things be coercion?"
Lincoln tried to hold on to federal property and tried to enforece the laws. Lincoln didn't invade South Carolina or any other southren state. He took no hostile actions against any southern state prior to the southern initiation of hostilities at Sumter. His actions were not 'coercion' or 'invasion' except, of course, to those who were out for a war in the first place.
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