Abraham Lincoln Was Elected President 143 Years Ago Tonight

http://www.nytimes.com ^ | 11/06/2003 | RepublicanWizard

[republicanwizard]

Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.

THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH

Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote

Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York

One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania

Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts

Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States

Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South

Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets

The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.

The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.

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[Badray]

"I live RR, but Lincoln faced a scenario unlike any other president. His ability to negotiate the nation through the Civil War was epic."

Reminds me of the modern day wanna be fire fighter that puts out the fire that he starts and wants to be called a hero.

"our comparing Lincolns situation with that with Reagans tenure - a calm civil society, dealing with some moderately difficult economic circumstances, is ridiculous."

Instead of spending the USSR into oblivion, should he have bombed them to be a war hero president? He faced down the Soviets, persuaded a hostile democrat congress to implement a lot of his vision, and overcame horrible economic conditions and did it all without killing Americans or destroying the Constitution. In doing so, he restored American prestige, America's might, and America's future.

That makes him a top notch president in my book.

[hirn_man]

"Two persons have been elected to the offices of President and Vice-President exclusively by the people of ONE SECTION of the country...A clearer case of foreign domination could not well be presented."-- John W. Ellis, North Carolina governor 1860"

Gosh could that have something to do with the difficulty Mr. Lincoln had getting on the ballots in the southern states? I thought you guys were all about republican government and letting all sides have a say at election time.

[billbears]

Not when one of the first acts of those men is to ignore previous agreements and practically force the Confederacy into defense of itself by sending armed forces to Sumter

[hirn_man]

Its the Confederates that ignored the previous agreements.

They didn't feel like they had to live up to the deal that their anscestors had made, and they tried to walk away. Pity they didn't heed the declaration of independence. You guys have memorized that document by heart. You know the part that says people normally shouldn't try to throw off their governments and form new ones because usually what they wind up with is worse than what they started out with.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

If they come, I'll ask the AdminMod to kick them off the thread.

translation: "If they hurt my wittle feeeeeeeeelings...I'm going to tell my Mommy!"

(sniffle sniffle...sob sob)

[labard1]

"Its the Confederates that ignored the previous agreements."

You know very well that New England had threatened to secede during the War of 1812, and failed to do so mainly because that war ended.

Your other point from the Declaration of Independence is sensible, however. Almost every significant office holder in the Confederacy opposed secession until their views no longer mattered, at which time they went with their states. They believed secession was lawful under the Constitution, but not wise for the reason you stated. And they were right, we did end up with something worse.

[hirn_man]

"Does power lay in the hands of the people or the federal government? "

I ask you: Does power lay in the hands of the people or the state government?

The tenth amendment says that all powers not granted to the federal government are reserved for the state OR FOR THE PEOPLE.

The constitution is silent on secession. If secession is legal I surmise that it is in the hands of the people(all the people nation wide). Why should people in Georgia have a say in it and not people in New Hamsphire? Secession effected everyone, not just those secesseding.

[hirn_man]

God Bless President Lincoln.

Like all of us, he wasn't perfect, but I believe he had the best interests of this nation at heart, and I think this country could use more like him.

[hirn_man]

'You know very well that New England had threatened to secede during the War of 1812, and failed to do so mainly because that war ended.

My mother threatened to kill me at least a hundred times when I was growing up. Does that make what Andrea Yates did to her kids legal?

I think not. You know very well that New England had threatened to secede during the War of 1812, and failed to do so mainly because that war ended.

[hirn_man]

Double cut n paste on that last reply at the bottom.

[4CJ]

Every single man who carried arms in the Confederate Army did so under National Conscription.

We've had this debate before and you were wrong then just as you are now. Many Confederates - black, red, yellow and white - were more than happy to enlist. Many were conscripted - just as the Yankees were.

[Major_Risktaker]

Lincoln used war to destroy the U.S. Constitution in order to establish a powerful central government.

Why did Lincoln want to establish a central government and what powerful groups of people do you think backed him?

[hirn_man]

Kansas became a state(1-29-1861) before Abe took office(3-4-1861). But hey don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Or is it just that everything bad that has ever happened is Lincoln's fault?

[labard1]

I can merely praise your mother's foresight and regret her forbearance.

[STONEWALLS]

........FWIW I live about 45 minutes from the former home of Chief Justice Roger Taney......he's the guy that swore Lincoln in and 6 other presidents too.......for as long as anybody can remember the house was always known as "the Taney Shrine"........it has declined in recent years however.....a local historical society is now restoring it so that it can be open to the public daily.......after "consulting" with the local NAACP however they knuckled under and have taken down the plaque that said "shrine".......that's cause Taney wrote Dred Scott, a decision based on law but uber un-PC these days.....never mind that the majority of the court agreed with him......I expect his demonization will only grow in the future......

[Gianni]

If the attitudes that many of these posters express is indicative of what the beliefs of the Republican Party, conservatism, and FreeRepublic are, then slowly but surely I, and many like me, will come to disassociate ourselves with any of the three.

Righty-O... See ya 'round then.

[billbears]

You know the part that says people normally shouldn't try to throw off their governments and form new ones because usually what they wind up with is worse than what they started out with

Normally yes, but when you are being fiscally raped as the Southern states were, what would you suggest they would have done? Let it go on? They did the same thing their brave ancestors did. Leave the offensive party behind. Unfortunately, bankers and manufacturer barons couldn't just allow the Southern states to leave, not to mention the national government. Where would they get their money for their unconstitutional plans from?

[WhiskeyPapa]

All we ask you to do is represent Lincoln honestly.

Here ya go:

"Pronouncing the death of the Old South, he [Henry Grady]lauded the New South of Union and freedom and progress. And he offered Lincoln as the vibrant symbol not alone of reconciliation but of American character. "Lincoln," he said, "comprehended within himself all the strength, and gentleness, all the majesty and grace of the republic." He was indeed, the first American, "the sum of Puritan and Cavalier, in whose ardent nature were fused the virtues of both, and in whose great soul the faults of both were lost."

--From "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson P. 46-48

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

In bringing down the Soviet Union and its control of Eastern Europe Reagan freed more souls from oppression than Lincoln ever did. Moreover, Lincoln only "freed" slaves in territory not controlled by the Union.

President Lincoln worked hard for the 13th amendment. He was a life long opponent of slavery. And he ultimately supported equal rights for black Americans.

Walt