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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003
Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 5 - November 5-7)
(Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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FL ACLU Files Brief in Effort to Starve Disabled Woman, as Bush Acts to Save Terri Schiavo

Terri Schiavo: Myths and Facts - Dr. Dianne Irving, PhD

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Pro-Lifers Link Euthanasia to Abortion

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Terri Schindler Schiavo Guardianship Hearing Wednesday November 5, 2003


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrisdailies
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To: Ethan_Allen
Thanx for the links.

Our land was really a fluke when a large block of land became available back a dozen years ago. It was an island in the middle of the large corporate land holdings.

We bought it with eyes wide open, expecting the day would come which we are discussing. It is unfolding as we expected. Lots of people see this biosphere putsch as so much tinfoil but it is fascinating to actually witness the grabs, knowing what is behind it.

Maine is still a great place. No zoning where we live. No hassles, little crime, everyone armed to the teeth. RINO's abound of course, but mostly in the population centers farther south.

Your link names RESTORE as one of the activities. Indeed, Roxanne Quimby, the envirobabe, is the agent who has been doing the forays, ostensibly in her own name. Her squeeze is the guy who has Burt's Bees products for hippies and new agers in health stores.

Funny, things I saw in the '70's, if I talked about them then, I would have been branded a hopeless nutcase. Nowadays, it would hardly draw attention. The turtle is chugging right along. The same names and families continue, all worshiping their god.

1,021 posted on 11/07/2003 3:32:53 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Sed libera nos a MS. et Felos-de-se)
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To: nicmarlo
Working on a new thread now. There is SO much information on THIS one, though, that it is going to take me awhile. I hope to get it up before I go to bed tonight though.

It's a joint effort, nic, each of us doing our small part for something that matters so much to all of us (even to those who don't realize that it matters so much).

1,022 posted on 11/07/2003 3:34:57 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, nicmarlo, for a great synopsis of the legal issues! This could turn into a very lengthy process...which helps buy Terri more time.

A little birdie told me Michael was overheard saying, "No slam dunk for me!" :)

Co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson, authored this article on the legal reasons for the need for intervention ofn Terri's behalf:

Law shouldn’t be used to take away a life

As I see it By Frank Attkisson

Recently, the Florida Legislature became involved with the Terri Schiavo situation. Because of the significance of the case, and as a prime co-sponsor in the Florida House of the resulting bill, I want to share my view and reasoning for my support of the bill.

Initially, most would look at this as a judicial issue and feel that the Legislature should stay out of it. In this case, we must examine the laws that the courts have interpreted to see if we, as Floridians, truly want these laws controlling our families and individuals in the matter of death.

As I looked at the case I saw three troubling issues.

First, an individual having the responsibility for life or death decisions with regard to a family member must be unbiased and without conflict in the process. The allegation of money being left for the surviving spouse in this case shows a potential conflict of interest that should be removed.

Second, it is known that Mr. Schiavo has a fiancée who has been living with him for at least the last 6 years and who will soon bear a second child fathered by him.

What woman would want an individual making life or death decisions when they have to factor in their statutory responsibilities to other children they have fathered during the illness. This at least calls for an independent guardian ad litem to review the situation, which is what this legislation does. What woman would want an adulterous husband who has been living in this situation for the past 6 years making a life or death decision on her behalf? She is not capable of asking for a divorce, much less requesting another guardian.

Third, Florida’s contract law doesn’t allow verbal promises or intent to overcome specific wording of a contract or for an individual to make a verbal statement of his intent to leave assets to an individual; in this case, life is at stake instead of property and our statutes permit oral statements to determine whether someone lives or dies. Yet, in this case we allow a simple statement made following an emotional movie some 15 years ago to be a controlling factor of the individual’s intent and the statement was not even mentioned in the previous law suit when he stated he would care for her until she dies.

Family members must be allowed to make personal decisions concerning their loved ones when their loved ones are not able to make the decisions on their own. We owe it to the individual to ensure that the decision maker is unbiased and free of conflict when he or she must make the call.

The facts raised enough questions that the Legislature felt compelled to act to make sure our most vulnerable citizens have every opportunity to live and have rehabilitation in the absence of a written advanced directive stating their wishes. The life God gives us is precious and governmental laws should never be used to take it in this situation.

Frank Attkisson, R-Kissimmee, is state representative for District 79, which covers portions of Okeechobeee, Orange and Osceola counties.

1,023 posted on 11/07/2003 3:35:40 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
Thanks for posting another excellent letter on Terri.
1,024 posted on 11/07/2003 3:40:20 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: nicmarlo
Nope, I mean what I say!!!!!!!!:-}
1,025 posted on 11/07/2003 3:40:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
You're too funny there, walsh! : )
1,026 posted on 11/07/2003 3:43:46 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: msmagoo
A little birdie told me Michael was overheard saying, "No slam dunk for me!" :)

Actually, I find myself wondering if Felos is going to try to weasel out of his challenge against Bush. After all, Bush cannot, as governor of the state, simply subpoena people's medical records for the fun of it, but if Michael is suing him he'd be allowed to subpoena whatever records would be necessary to defend himself, right? Of course, if the chief executive happens to notice evidence of criminality in those records, he might feel duty-bound to pass it on to the Attourney General.

1,027 posted on 11/07/2003 3:45:39 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: msmagoo
What woman would want an adulterous husband who has been living in this situation for the past 6 years making a life or death decision on her behalf? She is not capable of asking for a divorce, much less requesting another guardian.

Third, Florida’s contract law doesn’t allow verbal promises or intent to overcome specific wording of a contract or for an individual to make a verbal statement of his intent to leave assets to an individual; in this case, life is at stake instead of property and our statutes permit oral statements to determine whether someone lives or dies. Yet, in this case we allow a simple statement made following an emotional movie some 15 years ago to be a controlling factor of the individual’s intent and the statement was not even mentioned in the previous law suit when he stated he would care for her until she dies.

What a great article, msmagoo! Thanks for posting. It is always important to hear what the INTENT of the lawmakers was when the make law.

1,028 posted on 11/07/2003 3:50:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: FR_addict; jwalsh07
sorry for all "italianising" my whole response; yet another typo this week! : )
1,029 posted on 11/07/2003 3:51:58 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sweetliberty
I hope to get it up before I go to bed tonight though.....It's a joint effort, nic, each of us doing our small part for something that matters so much to all of us (even to those who don't realize that it matters so much).

I went to bed at 4:00 this a.m. Think you'll be done by then? : )

And yes, it is a joint effort, but some people are able to do more than others....I wish I had more time.....one day.

1,030 posted on 11/07/2003 3:54:00 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: supercat
". . . but if Michael is suing him he'd be allowed to subpoena whatever records would be necessary to defend himself, right? Of course, if the chief executive happens to notice evidence of criminality in those records, he might feel duty-bound to pass it on to the Attourney General."

That's IT in a nutshell - PRAY this comes to pass!

1,031 posted on 11/07/2003 3:55:36 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: nicmarlo
I love reading these documents, and find Connors' arguments most compelling. He has backed Felos into a corner very neatly.
1,032 posted on 11/07/2003 3:57:22 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: nicmarlo

Just wondering which direction Felos would take now.

Can he just drop this case against Bush and come out it unscathed?
1,033 posted on 11/07/2003 3:57:38 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pickyourpoison
Can he just drop this case against Bush and come out it unscathed?

Well, sort of. He could allow the court to dismiss the original suit, not file a new one, and claim that the suit was dismissed not on its merits but because of the "good ol' boys club" down at the courthouse. Patently false, of course, but the media could still eat it up. He'd come out none the worse for having filed the suit.

Unfortunately, there'd still be the problem of his having taken $400K of Terri's money while working against her interests. If Michael/Felos lose guardianship of Terri, Felos' misconduct would be foced out in the open. And that would not leave him unscathed.

1,034 posted on 11/07/2003 4:09:33 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Theodore R.
Yeah, loonies or desperate women like Jodi Centonze who can't find a man of her own.
1,035 posted on 11/07/2003 4:15:23 PM PST by atruelady
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To: sweetliberty; floriduh voter
What happened? It says that Tom Jones is on Larry King tonight?
1,036 posted on 11/07/2003 4:25:38 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: atruelady
Any pictures of Jodi?
1,037 posted on 11/07/2003 4:25:50 PM PST by Dante3
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To: All

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TROLL FREE ON ALL ACTIVE TERRI THREADS!!!!!!!

Guns, Linux and Liberty. ;c)

1,038 posted on 11/07/2003 4:26:49 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: supercat

Well, I'm figuring he's going to take the safest route for himself.

Since Greer allowed him to loot Terri's rehab fund, he can probably justify it by saying he believed it was in her best interests.

Thanks for explaining it.
1,039 posted on 11/07/2003 4:27:19 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: pickyourpoison
The safes rout for any of this crowd is to a country without an extradition treaty with the US. ;c)

Guns, Linux and Liberty. ;c)
1,040 posted on 11/07/2003 4:30:04 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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